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  • Downtown Bang!
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    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

    Depends on which George Hill we are talking about. The passive one or the aggressive one. The aggressive George Hill was an all-star caliber player, the passive one wasn't. I think he'll be similar. If he is passive like Hill was a lot of the time he'll be Hill 2.0. If he is aggressive he could play at an all-star level.
    He will be aggressive and physical and fearless on both ends of the court. Still remember Brogdon scoring 28 in a tough game against Rose Jones & Butler to get VA to the sweet 16 in 2016. Rosie & most of that Butler squad never lacked in those categories either. He will be F'n nails in the playoffs for this team.....

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  • Eleazar
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    Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post
    Watching ESPN clips this morning. Sean Farnham just said he think the team to beat in the east are the pacers. He said we are a sneaky team, we won't be talking about them much today but they might be the team to beat in the east. I love the signing of Lamb 10 million a year for a guy that just had his best season and is entering his prime.

    I need someone to educate me on Malcolm Brogdon's ceiling? What can he be with more usage. Everything I read about him just says he steady, clutch and efficient. Can he be an all star or is more George hill 2.0?

    We finally have some big wings! We have caught up with the rest of the league lol. We should be able to switch so much more on the perimeter now. We have guys the can play and most importantly defend multiple positions.
    Depends on which George Hill we are talking about. The passive one or the aggressive one. The aggressive George Hill was an all-star caliber player, the passive one wasn't. I think he'll be similar. If he is passive like Hill was a lot of the time he'll be Hill 2.0. If he is aggressive he could play at an all-star level.

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  • dwtaylor1055
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    Brogdon could be at an All Star type level player until Vic returns and maybe even when he returns. I'm anticipating close to 20 ppg until Vic returns. Very efficient and not careless with the ball. Really understands the game.

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  • McKeyFan
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    Originally posted by Kemo View Post
    I am ecstatic that we were able to aquire Brogdon..... He clearly has the tools of being one of the elite, top shooters in the NBA .. I am giddy to think about watching him grow as a player into his prime as an Indiana Pacer..
    Being in the 50/40/90 club is super exclusive to only the best percentage shooters in nba history
    I truly wish we would have brought Bogey back,,, He was one of my favorite players to watch..I think we will miss having him on the Pacers, I know I will... As far as Lamb , I honestly am kinda meh on that signing... I don't know much about him but I'da rather kept Bogey instead of getting Warren and Lamb,,, But hey, that's just me ... I'll still root for and hope they grow on me while contributing to winning basketball on the court..






    MEMBERS of the 50/40/90 Club :
    Since the NBA introduced the three-point field goal in the 1979–80 season, the 50–40–90 shooting threshold has been reached by eight players:[3][6]


    To qualify, a player also has to successfully make at least 300 field goals, 82 three-point field goals (since the 2013–14 season) and 125 free throws.[10] These values have been used since the 1999–2000 season except in the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season; requirements varied with the schedule length several times before that.[11]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%...2%80%9390_club
    Wow. That is really some elite company. Did Milwaukee give away a key piece? Hmmmm

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  • Kemo
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    I am ecstatic that we were able to aquire Brogdon..... He clearly has the tools of being one of the elite, top shooters in the NBA .. I am giddy to think about watching him grow as a player into his prime as an Indiana Pacer..
    Being in the 50/40/90 club is super exclusive to only the best percentage shooters in nba history
    I truly wish we would have brought Bogey back,,, He was one of my favorite players to watch..I think we will miss having him on the Pacers, I know I will... As far as Lamb , I honestly am kinda meh on that signing... I don't know much about him but I'da rather kept Bogey instead of getting Warren and Lamb,,, But hey, that's just me ... I'll still root for and hope they grow on me while contributing to winning basketball on the court..






    MEMBERS of the 50/40/90 Club :
    Since the NBA introduced the three-point field goal in the 1979–80 season, the 50–40–90 shooting threshold has been reached by eight players:[3][6]


    To qualify, a player also has to successfully make at least 300 field goals, 82 three-point field goals (since the 2013–14 season) and 125 free throws.[10] These values have been used since the 1999–2000 season except in the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season; requirements varied with the schedule length several times before that.[11]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%...2%80%9390_club

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  • equilibrium
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    Brogdon prefers to drive to the basket. He rarely takes contested jumpshots. Even though, he's a >40% shooter from deep, he only shoots about 3 attempts per game.

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  • Gremz
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    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    If I put together a short list of players to pair with Vic in our backcourt, Brogdon would be on the short list and near the top. We don't need or want a ball dominant point guard next to Vic, and yet we want someone who plays point guard next to Vic. We want a point with size, good defender, good shooter from all over.

    Could Malcom be an allstar? Maybe in a season where the pacers have the best record in the east and we have three allstars on the team - I say maybe . But no, when I watch him play I don't see an allstar as in one of the best players in the NBA, but I suppose it is a possible 1 time thing if everything comes together. I think Brogdon is now our best defender.

    Here is a good article on him

    https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/21/...ptors-warriors

    Brogdon reached the Valhalla of shooters this season: Shooting higher than 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from 3, and 90 perfect from the free throw line. There have only been 14 seasons in NBA history where a player has hit those benchmarks. Brogdon is the first since Steph Curry in 2015-16. And he’s not just a shooting specialist, either. Brogdon was a point forward in college: He can handle the ball, shoot off the dribble, and make plays on the move. There are no good options for the defense when he is playing off the ball. He can drain open 3s or attack closeouts and create open 3s for someone else. He’s a smart player who rarely gets sped up or makes bad decisions, averaging 3.2 assists on only 1.4 turnovers per game this season.

    A player who shoots and passes as well as Brogdon is a force multiplier. He can slide into almost any role in the offense. He was the fifth option in their starting lineup behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, and Brook Lopez in the regular season, and there were large stretches of games where he was the second option on the second unit. He can handle any amount of offensive responsibility in between. One of the few times the Bucks struggled this season is when Brogdon anchored lineups without either of their two All-Stars. The numbers are striking: He had a net rating of plus-16.5 in 497 minutes with Giannis and without Middleton, and plus-20.7 in 231 minutes with Middleton and without Giannis. Take them both out and his net rating falls to plus-1.4 in 251 minutes.

    Brogdon is so efficient offensively that he would be valuable even if he were a minus on the other end of the floor. The fact that he’s also a versatile defender with the size (6-foot-5 and 229 pounds with a 6-foot-11 wingspan) to match up with players at multiple positions makes him one of the most valuable role players in the league. He has been their most effective defender on Kawhi Leonard over the last three games. It’s impossible to shut down a superstar like Kawhi, but Brogdon has at least made him work, holding him to 9-of-22 shooting in 77 possessions as the primary defender. Brogdon has the strength and savvy to be an excellent positional defender: He doesn’t let Kawhi beat him to spots or push him around. He stopped him on consecutive possessions in the final minute of the first OT on Sunday.



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    Brogdon will also allow Vic to ease his way back into form which I'm ecstatic about.

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  • Unclebuck
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    If I put together a short list of players to pair with Vic in our backcourt, Brogdon would be on the short list and near the top. We don't need or want a ball dominant point guard next to Vic, and yet we want someone who plays point guard next to Vic. We want a point with size, good defender, good shooter from all over.

    Could Malcom be an allstar? Maybe in a season where the pacers have the best record in the east and we have three allstars on the team - I say maybe . But no, when I watch him play I don't see an allstar as in one of the best players in the NBA, but I suppose it is a possible 1 time thing if everything comes together. I think Brogdon is now our best defender.

    Here is a good article on him

    https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/21/...ptors-warriors

    Brogdon reached the Valhalla of shooters this season: Shooting higher than 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from 3, and 90 perfect from the free throw line. There have only been 14 seasons in NBA history where a player has hit those benchmarks. Brogdon is the first since Steph Curry in 2015-16. And he’s not just a shooting specialist, either. Brogdon was a point forward in college: He can handle the ball, shoot off the dribble, and make plays on the move. There are no good options for the defense when he is playing off the ball. He can drain open 3s or attack closeouts and create open 3s for someone else. He’s a smart player who rarely gets sped up or makes bad decisions, averaging 3.2 assists on only 1.4 turnovers per game this season.

    A player who shoots and passes as well as Brogdon is a force multiplier. He can slide into almost any role in the offense. He was the fifth option in their starting lineup behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, and Brook Lopez in the regular season, and there were large stretches of games where he was the second option on the second unit. He can handle any amount of offensive responsibility in between. One of the few times the Bucks struggled this season is when Brogdon anchored lineups without either of their two All-Stars. The numbers are striking: He had a net rating of plus-16.5 in 497 minutes with Giannis and without Middleton, and plus-20.7 in 231 minutes with Middleton and without Giannis. Take them both out and his net rating falls to plus-1.4 in 251 minutes.

    Brogdon is so efficient offensively that he would be valuable even if he were a minus on the other end of the floor. The fact that he’s also a versatile defender with the size (6-foot-5 and 229 pounds with a 6-foot-11 wingspan) to match up with players at multiple positions makes him one of the most valuable role players in the league. He has been their most effective defender on Kawhi Leonard over the last three games. It’s impossible to shut down a superstar like Kawhi, but Brogdon has at least made him work, holding him to 9-of-22 shooting in 77 possessions as the primary defender. Brogdon has the strength and savvy to be an excellent positional defender: He doesn’t let Kawhi beat him to spots or push him around. He stopped him on consecutive possessions in the final minute of the first OT on Sunday.



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    Last edited by Unclebuck; 07-01-2019, 09:55 AM.

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  • LilSean320
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    Watching ESPN clips this morning. Sean Farnham just said he think the team to beat in the east are the pacers. He said we are a sneaky team, we won't be talking about them much today but they might be the team to beat in the east. I love the signing of Lamb 10 million a year for a guy that just had his best season and is entering his prime.

    I need someone to educate me on Malcolm Brogdon's ceiling? What can he be with more usage. Everything I read about him just says he steady, clutch and efficient. Can he be an all star or is more George hill 2.0?

    We finally have some big wings! We have caught up with the rest of the league lol. We should be able to switch so much more on the perimeter now. We have guys the can play and most importantly defend multiple positions.

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  • McKeyFan
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    How good are Lamb and Warren at rebounding?

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  • DrFife
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    “Erection” and “Won’t shrivel” in back-to-back posts ... Sorry, Pacemates! I can’t remember when PD has been so excited!

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  • imawhat
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    Both Brogdon and Lamb are clutch players who both hit several big shots last season. Lamb's halfcourt heave was my favorite buzzer beater last season.

    I love that we picked up two players who won't shrivel in the moment.

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  • GizzyStardust
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    Originally posted by Ratking View Post
    Brogdon is the perfect Pacer. Plays like a modern pace Mark Jackson / Jason Kidd lite with an elite shot. I think he's a borderline All-Star after breaking out as the leader of the team until Vic comes back. He is the consummate professional, nicknamed "The President", has a Masters degree in Leadership & Public Policy. He is as great a fit as David West was years ago, but we have him in his prime for 4 years!
    Please excuse me for a moment, I've got to hide my erection... I am SO hyped for this guy now!

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  • SaintLouisan
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    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

    If Goga is the rim protector that he's being hyped up to be, I think he will help hide Mcdermott some defensively. Honestly I don't think Doug's nearly as bad defensively as people want to make him out to be, though I admit the eye test doesn't always do him justice lol. Below average is about right.
    He can make the odd play on D and isn’t unathletic which always helps, but he just has zero defensive intuition when it comes to playing the man one on one.

    Frankly I wouldn’t mind it if he brought consistent offensive production and three-point shooting.

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  • CJ Jones
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    Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

    McDermott needs other guys to unleash him. On offense. On defense - he is below average. Last season when he was on the floor with Domas - they started to click later on in the season. But still - by himself he is too predictable.
    If Goga is the rim protector that he's being hyped up to be, I think he will help hide Mcdermott some defensively. Honestly I don't think Doug's nearly as bad defensively as people want to make him out to be, though I admit the eye test doesn't always do him justice lol. Below average is about right.
    Last edited by CJ Jones; 07-01-2019, 12:23 AM.

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