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  • #61
    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Honestly isn't this really an NBA problem? Do they have these issues in the NFL or MLB? Or hell even the NHL? I mean in the NFL you get good solid players willing to play in Green Bay for years. Let's not forget that the biggest superstar of the previous decade or so played and stayed right here in Indianapolis and somehow still managed to be the biggest media star and darling.

    I have no idea why the NBA is the way it is. In a way that is why I am kind of enamored with Zion right now, he not only is okay with going to the small market of New Orleans but he seems to be embracing it.

    I have given the Pacers credit in saying that it has a lot to do with the location of the team, however I think that it is just one factor. As has been stated 2 of the 3 largest markets NY & Chicago have not been free agent destinations for years (if ever really) and while we all go on and on about south beach since the king left there have been zero big name free agents going in that door.

    But it is curios though that we are starting to hear from reputable sources (I consider both Windhorst & Lowe reputable) that the team has an issue spending. Mix that in with the hints that Larry Bird dropped in over the years (lets never forget he did inform all of us that his owner would not allow him to go after RFA) and now I'm beginning to wonder if maybe that its not just that we are the land of corn and well let's just say it a red state. I wonder if our league wide reputation that we think is so high really isn't it.
    I'm kinda curious about this too. I don't watch the other sports, but glancing at articles that appear in my Google feed from time to time, it feels like those players definitely "chase" the money more than NBA players. In my mind, I think it may have something to do with the overall NBA/Basketball culture. Call me crazy, but basketball seems to have "famous" parks while players try to "rep" their city. Football/baseball players are just....I don't know...they're just there. Basketball is one those sports you can get street cred just by playing the game at your local park. In Kokomo, we had Foster Park which was considered to be the "money" court while Highland was a close second. Studebaker was our "hood" park.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

      I'm kinda curious about this too. I don't watch the other sports, but glancing at articles that appear in my Google feed from time to time, it feels like those players definitely "chase" the money more than NBA players. In my mind, I think it may have something to do with the overall NBA/Basketball culture. Call me crazy, but basketball seems to have "famous" parks while players try to "rep" their city. Football/baseball players are just....I don't know...they're just there. Basketball is one those sports you can get street cred just by playing the game at your local park. In Kokomo, we had Foster Park which was considered to be the "money" court while Highland was a close second. Studebaker was our "hood" park.
      The structures of contracts make the other sports very different. Baseball definitely has some filtering of high salary guys to big money teams, but no star is even 10% as important in baseball as it is in basketball. And because baseball players can sign extensions at any time for any length of time and money, there is incentive to sign with your current team for a massive deal way before free agency.

      In football, the salary cap makes money and fit much more important than geography. Players only have a limited amount of time to get their money, and the risk is so much higher to get hurt that players just grab what they can. The franchise tag also encourages players to sign extensions because teams can keep stars away from free agency for an extra two years.

      Basketball you see the same thing on the role player level. They tend to move from team to team just grabbing whatever money they can. But the stars know they are untouchable because they are so important to a team, and the max salary means that money is essentially meaningless when comparing two different cities, it just comes down to geography and basketball. It incentivizes players to move to the teams they want because there is really no downside for them.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

        I think was allowing myself to dream a tad, but I knew that this was the reality. Helps having a little more credibility backing up that reality though.

        I think, however, we all agree that A list guys are impossible and B list guys are improbable, but the idea of the thread was why.
        And one of the prime reasons mentioned here is that we don't want to pay them. This article points out that we have tried to sign people with no luck.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post

          And one of the prime reasons mentioned here is that we don't want to pay them. This article points out that we have tried to sign people with no luck.
          Trying to sign them and paying them is two different things.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #65
            The biggest knock against Indianapolis is that it is a flat city surrounded by cornfields and has no beaches, mountains, big lakes, year-round sunshine, theme parks, or great nightlife. The fan support is weak in comparison to other cities and there are less local endorsements available (I'll never forget how they struggled to fill seats for a second round playoff game against the Heatles when they were up 2-1). However, it is a good city to raise children, the cost of living is low, the Pacers have a state-of-the-art practice facility and arena, the media is soft, and the team has helped develop 5 players into Most Improved Player award winners. The Pacers should be able to sell some FAs on that.

            Even though I voted that the main reason FAs won't come to Indiana is the location, I really believe that's only 50% of the reason. The other side of the coin is that they lost Paul George via a trade request (the organization took a hit for that) and Victor Oladipo only had 1 great year and is now coming off an injury. I think if Vic had been healthy this season and they had advanced to the second round, they would be in a better position to appeal to 2nd tier free agent. Stars don't want to come to a team where they might end up being the only star. This team needs to prove they can go deep into the playoffs and Vic has to prove he can return from this injury as good if not better than he was before.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              Honestly isn't this really an NBA problem? Do they have these issues in the NFL or MLB? Or hell even the NHL? I mean in the NFL you get good solid players willing to play in Green Bay for years. Let's not forget that the biggest superstar of the previous decade or so played and stayed right here in Indianapolis and somehow still managed to be the biggest media star and darling.

              I have no idea why the NBA is the way it is. In a way that is why I am kind of enamored with Zion right now, he not only is okay with going to the small market of New Orleans but he seems to be embracing it.
              The NFL has always had an equitable market where all teams were advertised, received prime time games, and were an integral part of the league. I think a large part of the problem is that David Stern spent 30 years marketing solely big market teams and star players.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                The biggest knock against Indianapolis is that it is a flat city surrounded by cornfields and has no beaches, mountains, big lakes, year-round sunshine, theme parks, or great nightlife. The fan support is weak in comparison to other cities and there are less local endorsements available (I'll never forget how they struggled to fill seats for a second round playoff game against the Heatles when they were up 2-1). However, it is a good city to raise children, the cost of living is low, the Pacers have a state-of-the-art practice facility and arena, the media is soft, and the team has helped develop 5 players into Most Improved Player award winners. The Pacers should be able to sell some FAs on that.

                Even though I voted that the main reason FAs won't come to Indiana is the location, I really believe that's only 50% of the reason. The other side of the coin is that they lost Paul George via a trade request (the organization took a hit for that) and Victor Oladipo only had 1 great year and is now coming off an injury. I think if Vic had been healthy this season and they had advanced to the second round, they would be in a better position to appeal to 2nd tier free agent. Stars don't want to come to a team where they might end up being the only star. This team needs to prove they can go deep into the playoffs and Vic has to prove he can return from this injury as good if not better than he was before.
                I like this answer....although Victor is solid player, it's hard to know what type of player he'll become once he recovers, plus he only has "one" breakout year. His injury was awful bad timing for multiple reasons. I don't think of the Paul George situation being that much of a negative, because I still believe that he didn't really give KP a chance to build a team for his final year. Paul George could have left his final season, and put himself in better position for the max contract (I think he could have still qualify if he played his last year in Indiana).


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Rogco View Post

                  The NFL has always had an equitable market where all teams were advertised, received prime time games, and were an integral part of the league. I think a large part of the problem is that David Stern spent 30 years marketing solely big market teams and star players.
                  Another reason to avoid the Pacers...they only have 2-6 televised games outside of the playoffs, and they're quick to bump them off for another game. As a side note, I don't think their national TV game record is that good. I'm still disgusted when the Pacers have good seasons, and we can't even get a Christmas Day game like the Pacers vs Heat. They haven't had a Christmas game since 2004. The Pacers are just one of those teams if you want to be a low key, keep to yourself type of player. Someone mentioned this in a different thread....surprisedly, KW would have made the perfect Pacers player. This dude just won a CHAMPIONSHIP, and he's still debating on whether to stay or go. In my mind, that would have been an automatic "Let's run it back for one more year." stay.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                    I like this answer....although Victor is solid player, it's hard to know what type of player he'll become once he recovers, plus he only has "one" breakout year. His injury was awful bad timing for multiple reasons. I don't think of the Paul George situation being that much of a negative, because I still believe that he didn't really give KP a chance to build a team for his final year. Paul George could have left his final season, and put himself in better position for the max contract (I think he could have still qualify if he played his last year in Indiana).
                    I certainly don't disagree with you about PG. I just think once you lose a borderline great player and that player is disgruntled, that team's reputation as a winner takes a hit. All that good equity it had built up with PG being the face of the team was immediately gone.

                    I didn't mention it before but now that I think of it, the way David West left hurt the team as well. He's a very well liked player around the league and is a mentor for a lot of players. I think Larry Bird had to take a step back because he had hurt the reputation of the team around the league with the way he handled the David West situation and because he dismantled the team around Paul George before he returned from injury.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      Honestly isn't this really an NBA problem? Do they have these issues in the NFL or MLB? Or hell even the NHL? I mean in the NFL you get good solid players willing to play in Green Bay for years. Let's not forget that the biggest superstar of the previous decade or so played and stayed right here in Indianapolis and somehow still managed to be the biggest media star and darling.

                      I have no idea why the NBA is the way it is. In a way that is why I am kind of enamored with Zion right now, he not only is okay with going to the small market of New Orleans but he seems to be embracing it.

                      I have given the Pacers credit in saying that it has a lot to do with the location of the team, however I think that it is just one factor. As has been stated 2 of the 3 largest markets NY & Chicago have not been free agent destinations for years (if ever really) and while we all go on and on about south beach since the king left there have been zero big name free agents going in that door.

                      But it is curios though that we are starting to hear from reputable sources (I consider both Windhorst & Lowe reputable) that the team has an issue spending. Mix that in with the hints that Larry Bird dropped in over the years (lets never forget he did inform all of us that his owner would not allow him to go after RFA) and now I'm beginning to wonder if maybe that its not just that we are the land of corn and well let's just say it a red state. I wonder if our league wide reputation that we think is so high really isn't it.
                      Zion sort of has no choice but to embrace going to a small town market like NOLA. Zion won't likely have that choice for another 7 years. Just like the way that AD did the same. And where is AD now?

                      It doesn't matter what reasons that one may come up with to defend a city like Indianapolis ( despite it's storied basketball heritage and being home to St. Elmo's Steak house ), NBA Free Agents ( when given the choice ) will consider location and/or Market size of the Team for their own stupid reasons. As you suggest and what I alluded to earlier. This is more of a NBA problem and not really a unique problem to the Pacers. Teams like NOLA, Charlotte, Memphis, etc...all face the same problems as the Pacers do.

                      In the end, the best way for a Small Market Teams to address this maybe is to take the approach of the Bucks and Raptors. Build the Team via smart long term trades, make smart Draft picks and then pray that half the Players on the Super Team that they eventually face in the NBA Finals gets injured.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #71
                        What if we signed Brogdon and Parker

                        Turner
                        Parker
                        Warren
                        Oladipo
                        Brogdon
                        Sabbonis

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                        • #72
                          KD now rumored to be meeting with warriors, knicks, clippers, and nets.
                          AD wanted to be traded to LA.
                          Kyrie is largely thought to be going to the nets.
                          Kawai is reported to be interested in both LA teams.
                          Russell is rumored to be interested in the lakers.

                          And of course a few of these guys and some other bigger names are interested in staying with their team. But overall, I sense a trend with this off-season.

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                          • #73
                            First, the point about star players not moving much in free agency is 100% true. Most star players move from team to team via trade. I believe even Lebron and Bosh were both technically traded to Miami. We see players moved near the end of their contracts, and we easily forget that they were actually traded not signed. If you look at Pacers' history, making very savvy trades has been integral to any period of success they have had.

                            Now, why players don't seem interested in playing for the Pacers, well no one has actually said it yet, unless I missed it, but the reason has nothing to do with the front office, the location of Indianapolis, or politics. It has everything to do with Nike, Addidas, and other sporting brands. The simple truth is those companies will pay a star playing in LA more than they will pay a star playing in Indy. Those companies have more power over where players play than even the players themselves. The good thing is only so many players can play in LA or the few other cities that fall under that category. So it isn't really all that difficult to convince players to stay once they are here, but it is difficult to convince them to come here in the first place.

                            That is why the key to the Pacers future success will continue to be by smart and savvy draft picks and trades. This is something that Larry Bird didn't seem to understand or know how to do which is why the team was so lackluster after Hibbert's fall from grace. Luckily Pritchard knows how to make trades.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Taterhead View Post



                              Girls will show you their nipples for free if you play your cards right.
                              this made me crack up for a good while

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                              • #75
                                Indiana is perceived to be an ultra conservative boring place with no incentives that the larger markets offer. The only way for that to change organizationally is to have a free spending hip owner that will connect with the players and offer the intangibles that appeal to the players. Think Steve Balmer.

                                That being said, the only reason I thought Russell would consider the Pacers is that he is from Louisville. But, in most cases going home is not a dominant factor.

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