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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    True, but how many NBA cities are truly mild in the winter? Really only a handful: Miami, LA, Bay Area, Orlando, Houston, Phoenix (mostly irrelevant for a while), New Orleans (awful franchise), San Antonio.

    Even places like Dallas and Atlanta - while certainly much milder than Indy - can get plenty chilly in the winter and experience wintry precipitation. You arenít busting out the shorts in either.

    Cold really doesnít put Indy at much of a disadvantage. There are only a handful of warm weather franchises that seem desirable (ie no one really talks about Phoenix, while NO is a disaster).

    Im sure plenty of NBA players would rather be playing somewhere else than where they currently are, but guys generally go to where the money and opportunity is. Obviously.
    Of course money talks. But weather matters.

    It's not about busting out in shorts. It's about not having to drive on snow and ice covered roads for 1/3rd of the year right during the middle of basketball season.

    Maybe some of us hate cold weather more than others but I can guarantee you I don't like it and would definitely move to Atlanta or Dallas or even Nashville if I didn't have family in the area. Probably not the cesspool that is Memphis but this thing isn't that clear. Anyway, there is a reason why a huge number of retirees move to Florida and it's because of the warmer weather...and most don't live on the coast.

    As for putting Indy at a disadvantage I would say they are probably average weather-wise. But that's still not desirable and it's still a factor. Money would override it though. I agree on that point. Just like it would override it for us. If I made 20% more in Indy I would take that over a little better weather in Atlanta. That doesn't mean the weather isn't a factor. 5% more adjusted for standard of living would probably not be enough. Everyone has their price.
    Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
      I think you should separate Culture from the front office being cheap.
      Everyone seems to point to players preferring a warmer climate and that may be a factor but IMO the climate is the least of Indy's challenges. Money is always going to be a primary driving factor followed by a chance to win but many teams can offer both of these things and I'd think the next factor would be the culture of the city and the state. I'm from Indiana and it will always have a place in my heart but if I left Indiana in 1991 and after experiences many other places I can tell you that if I weren't from Indiana I would never have a desire to visit the state. The culture compared to a great number of NBA cities and states sucks.
      George Hill...is that you?
      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
        I think you should separate Culture from the front office being cheap.
        Everyone seems to point to players preferring a warmer climate and that may be a factor but IMO the climate is the least of Indy's challenges. Money is always going to be a primary driving factor followed by a chance to win but many teams can offer both of these things and I'd think the next factor would be the culture of the city and the state. I'm from Indiana and it will always have a place in my heart but if I left Indiana in 1991 and after experiences many other places I can tell you that if I weren't from Indiana I would never have a desire to visit the state. The culture compared to a great number of NBA cities and states sucks.
        Hell, you got players from Indiana who don't want to come back and "win one" for the state.

        https://www.wibc.com/news/local-news...exotic-dancers


        https://www.consumerreports.org/cons...uying-alcohol/

        You can't even go to the strip club to see a nipple, and you can't buy beer on Sundays.

        Indiana is lame state for a young millionaire athlete.


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
          You can't even go to the strip club to see a nipple, and you can't buy beer on Sundays.

          Indiana is lame state for a young millionaire athlete.
          So you've never actually been to Indiana huh?

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          • #50
            ^Yes, just FYI ksutton, it is now legal to buy alcohol on Sundays, before 8 pm I believe.

            And the strippers, not only a nipple but whatever you can think of. Granted, in most of these clubs, that stripper is going to have approximately 4 teeth and be pregnant, but still.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              There are like 50 good point guards on the market. You will sign one of them.
              I donít mean this Summer ó I mean in the last few years? This team has been without a real, established point guard. The last one we had was Jeff Teague. Who lasted approximately one season. Free agents like to know the floor general isnít gonna be a revolving door every two years.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Wage View Post

                So you've never actually been to Indiana huh?
                Grew up in Kokomo....went to college in W. Lafayette...lived in South Bend and Indianapolis before moving to Iowa in 2002.
                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 06-27-2019, 11:22 PM.


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                  Grew up in Kokomo....went to college in W. Lafayette...lived in South Bend and Indianapolis before moving to Iowa in 2002.
                  I'm just bustin your balls. The alcohol thing is fair to miss since I think it was changed relatively recently. The strip club thing was a weird comment though. Not sure if you accidentally walked into a church at some point in time and thought it was a strip club?

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                  • #54
                    In the end, it's irrelevant how much we ( on the forum ) discuss the wonderful city that Indianapolis is or is not during the summer or winter months. The hard facts is that the Pacers face the same dilemma that other Small Market teams face when it comes to drawing the attention of Big Name Free Agents. I agree that money talks and will go far when it comes to what a Free Agent wants. But we also have to recognize that the edge for the Pacers comes from OVERPAYING a Free Agent or finding a Free Agent that no one ultimately wants ( see Tyreke ). But if money is the same for a Free Agent where the Pacers or the Heat are offering the same, location and size of the market is going to play a factor in the Players decision.

                    Maybe what festar35 mentioned in the other thread is relevant here:


                    Originally posted by festar35
                    The keys parts of Milwaukee:
                    Guannis Antetokoumpo - Drafted
                    Khris Middleton - Trade
                    Eric Bledsoe - Trade
                    Malcolm Brogdon - Draft

                    This is how we have to build our team!!! The Bucks are a bit of a free agent destination now because of Giannis & no other reason.
                    This is even mentioned by KP in the interview with Dakich. The Pacers ( like other Small Market Teams ) have little control over where Free Agents want to play despite whatever $$$ the Pacers may throw at them. But the Pacers do have more control in building the roster through trades and the draft. And maybe that is the answer that many of you don't want to hear and maybe the stark reality for the Pacers. They may try to pursue Free Agents, but maybe one of the main reasons why it just doesn't happen that often is because Free Agents ( when given the choice ) won't want to come here unless the Pacers overpay and/or have no choice due to lack of interest.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Wage View Post

                      I'm just bustin your balls. The alcohol thing is fair to miss since I think it was changed relatively recently. The strip club thing was a weird comment though. Not sure if you accidentally walked into a church at some point in time and thought it was a strip club?
                      Yeah like wth?

                      A young man from Kokomo who has apparently never been in the hiphugger and seen nipples?

                      I dont believe him either.

                      Girls will show you their nipples for free if you play your cards right.
                      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                      • #56
                        Honestly isn't this really an NBA problem? Do they have these issues in the NFL or MLB? Or hell even the NHL? I mean in the NFL you get good solid players willing to play in Green Bay for years. Let's not forget that the biggest superstar of the previous decade or so played and stayed right here in Indianapolis and somehow still managed to be the biggest media star and darling.

                        I have no idea why the NBA is the way it is. In a way that is why I am kind of enamored with Zion right now, he not only is okay with going to the small market of New Orleans but he seems to be embracing it.

                        I have given the Pacers credit in saying that it has a lot to do with the location of the team, however I think that it is just one factor. As has been stated 2 of the 3 largest markets NY & Chicago have not been free agent destinations for years (if ever really) and while we all go on and on about south beach since the king left there have been zero big name free agents going in that door.

                        But it is curios though that we are starting to hear from reputable sources (I consider both Windhorst & Lowe reputable) that the team has an issue spending. Mix that in with the hints that Larry Bird dropped in over the years (lets never forget he did inform all of us that his owner would not allow him to go after RFA) and now I'm beginning to wonder if maybe that its not just that we are the land of corn and well let's just say it a red state. I wonder if our league wide reputation that we think is so high really isn't it.



                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #57
                          Good article on this in the Star this morning. I would suggest several people on this board read it.

                          https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...rs/1545393001/

                          Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard and Kyrie Irving. Not coming here during 2019 NBA free agency. Wonít even take a call from the Indiana Pacers. Letís get that out of the way.

                          Most of you understand. Some of you, like a reader who recently wrote 242 words of Pacers-related vitriol in a letter to the editor, don't. Key passage in that letter: ďThe Pacers Ö remain silent in pursuit of attaining star players that could make (them) an elite team."

                          Some of you see the Pacers sitting on a pile of money. You see NBA free agents signing for piles of money. You do the math and wonder: Why donít the Pacers just sign Klay Thompson or Kemba Walker for a pile of money? Which ignores the obvious:

                          Why does every great NBA free agent have a first name that begins with ďKĒ?
                          No, sorry, thatís not the obvious. This is: The Pacers canít just force someone to sign here. They canít make Kyrie Irving accept their max contract offer. Players have choices, and every year, the A-list free agents make theirs: They donít sign with the Pacers.

                          The B-listers make the same choice. Goga Bitadze, not Tobias Harris or Khris Middleton

                          The Pacers canít even get the 76ersí Tobias Harris, who has never made an All-Star team, or the Bucksí underrated Khris Middleton to take them seriously. And thatís me being serious, and informed. Folks in the NBA, connected people who would know this sort of thing, say the Pacers have used back channels to kick the tires on Harris and Middleton, to gauge their interest. Came the answer: No interest.

                          At a time when the league is going small, thereís a reason the Pacers are accumulating big men at an unusual Ė OK, it looks weird Ė rate: Because big men are the best players, the best assets, they can get. The Pacers didnít need 6-11 Republic of Georgia center Goga Bitadze in the 2019 NBA Draft, but he was sitting there when it was their turn to pick 18th, and he was far and away the best player available. You get past the lottery, the pickings are slim. There are stars to be found, for sure, but it takes luck. Buy Photo

                          Top row: Khris Middleton (left) and D'Angelo Russell. Bottom row: Seth Curry (left) and Ricky Rubio (Photo: IndyStar photo illustration)
                          Donít give me Draymond Green. Yes, yes, he went 35th overall to Golden State in the 2012 NBA Draft. Thatís the second round, which means he was ignored by every team in the league at least once, and by a handful of teams twice.

                          Green was passed late in the first round by full-time NBA executives who chose Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, John Jenkins, Jared Cunningham and Tony Wroten. Those were picks 21-25. Who had the 26th pick in 2012? The Pacers. They used it on Miles Plumlee.

                          Here were the next five players chosen: Arnett Moultrie, Perry Jones III, Marquis Teague, Festus Ezeli, Jeffrey Taylor.

                          Festus Ezeli went in the first round in 2012. Draymond Green went in the second.

                          Obviously Golden State got lucky, unless you believe (A) every other NBA team is run by idiots or (B) the Warriors outsmarted the rest of the league.

                          But that would ignore (C): It was the Warriors who chose Festus Ezeli.

                          Point of all this? There was a point, there was, there was Ö right. Here it is: A sure thing, or as much of a sure thing as the human element will allow, rarely comes along as late in the draft as the 18th pick. Bitadze, who has been excelling against grown men in Europe since he was 15, is as close to a sure thing as the Pacers were ever going to see. Their draft room erupted in cheers Ė I was sitting on the same floor on draft night, and heard it through all those walls and closed doors Ė when he fell to 18.

                          The Pacers canít get talent like that Ė an asset like that Ė in free agency. As Pacers president Kevin Pritchard was saying the next day, when he introduced Bitadze to Indianapolis, ďThe draft is very important to us, because we have to get special in the draft.Ē
                          The Pacers have two avenues ďto get special,Ē meaning, to add special talent: the draft, and by trade. Here, watch this:

                          The Pacers drafted Paul George 10th overall in 2010. Turns out, he was special. Until Victor Oladipo came along, George was their only All-Star since 2014. They acquired Oladipo by trade Ö for Paul George. Oladipo is one of three special players on the current roster, All-Star possibilities in the future. The other two are Myles Turner (chosen 11th in the 2015 NBA Draft) and Domantas Sabonis (acquired with Oladipo in the Paul George trade).

                          See any free agents there?

                          Nope, and you wonít see any here, either: In their entire NBA existence, dating to 1976, 13 Pacers have made an All-Star team. They acquired six of those by draft (George, Danny Granger, Dale Davis, Reggie Miller, Rik Smits; and Billy Knight in the ABA days) and seven by trade (Oladipo, Roy Hibbert, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine OíNeal, Detlef Schrempf; and Don Buse in the ABA days).

                          Do that math: Six plus seven equals 13.

                          Pacers All-Stars acquired in free agency, ever: Zero. Support our journalism Become an IndyStar subscriber today to support stories like this one. Get unlimited digital access here! D'Angelo Russell? Seriously?

                          The Pacers enter 2019 NBA free agency, which starts Sunday at 6 p.m., with the clear objective of adding special talent on the perimeter, and no clear way to get it. Not unless they trade one of their special players, two (three, if we're counting Bitadze) of whom play center.

                          In the meantime, youíll hear names like Kemba Walker and DíAngelo Russell. Forget Walker Ė heís not coming Ė and donít get your hopes up on Russell, who made the All-Star team at age 22 in Brooklyn and would have a line of suitors should the Nets land two max-contract free agents (Kyrie and KD?) and have to renounce his rights.

                          Why am I bothering to write what lots of you already know? Because, to be honest, Iím tired of the whining around here every year at free agency: Why wonít the Pacers spend money? Why wonít they sign a great player?

                          Because they canít.

                          Set your sights on names like Ricky Rubio and Elfrid Payton and Terry Rozier. Want to dream? Dream of Curry Ė Seth, not Steph Ė or J.J. Redick. But donít be surprised to wake up to T.J. McConnell.

                          Find Star columnist Gregg Doyel on Twitter at @GreggDoyelStar or at www.facebook.com/gregg.doyel.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                            Good article on this in the Star this morning. I would suggest several people on this board read it.
                            I think was allowing myself to dream a tad, but I knew that this was the reality. Helps having a little more credibility backing up that reality though.

                            I think, however, we all agree that A list guys are impossible and B list guys are improbable, but the idea of the thread was why.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Honestly isn't this really an NBA problem?
                              I believe so, which is why I think our problem is location and reputation, not FO. If Milwaukee, Charlotte, Memphis, Utah, etc. were even meeting with KD and Kawai then I'd tend to think it was an office problem.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Wage View Post

                                I'm just bustin your balls. The alcohol thing is fair to miss since I think it was changed relatively recently. The strip club thing was a weird comment though. Not sure if you accidentally walked into a church at some point in time and thought it was a strip club?
                                Lol...I just looked up the beer law. Looks like it was changed in 2018. As for the Hip Hugger, they had those little things (don't what they're called) to cover the nipples. I have gotten used to the full nude bars in Iowa, so it struck me as odd when I came home to visit my family. Maybe it was church night, lol.

                                Actually had a couple of friends joke with me about Indiana's beer law when they went to go see the Hawkeyes (football) play one of the Indiana colleges, and they were asking if Indiana was some type of Bible belt state, lol.
                                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 06-28-2019, 09:10 AM.


                                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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