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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • SaintLouisan
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    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

    Truthfully, are we really a non-uptempo offense? Based the on 3PT comments we were hearing all season, if Indiana merely took more 3's (while avoiding those 3rd quarter droughts), we could increase our PPG easily. As for Holiday, I'm in the camp that would like to see him be thrown to fire as a backup PG.

    In hindsight...how did Lance suddenly become our starting SG? I want the same treatment for Holiday.
    We were like 24th in the league in pace last year, which I think is what he means.

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  • ksuttonjr76
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    Originally posted by DrFife View Post

    Interesting. If we were to commit to an up-tempo offense (anti-Nate??), I'd think he'd do well here. But Russell is categorically better, no doubt. I keep wondering about re-signing Collison (or CoJo) on a bargain contract for a couple more years, though, to give Holiday (and perhaps Sumner as well) time to develop and show his/their true potential. I'm not the biggest Holiday fan, but Larry saying Holiday has All-Star potential is noteworthy.

    Or, since next season is really just incubation for the following season (assuming fulll-strength Dipo), go ahead and start Holiday and let him develop (and make mistakes) at a faster rate. Spend our money on a wing (T Ross) and a rebounding big. Hmmm....
    Truthfully, are we really a non-uptempo offense? Based the on 3PT comments we were hearing all season, if Indiana merely took more 3's (while avoiding those 3rd quarter droughts), we could increase our PPG easily. As for Holiday, I'm in the camp that would like to see him be thrown to fire as a backup PG.

    In hindsight...how did Lance suddenly become our starting SG? I want the same treatment for Holiday.

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  • SaintLouisan
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    Originally posted by Handoverfist View Post
    I wouldnít mind bringing in Rubio on a short deal like we did DC to help mentor Holiday for a year and let him take over the next. Probably not realistic but I do think with the way Bird praised Holiday( saying he thinks he has All-Star potential) that Holiday is viewed as or point guard of the future.
    I think Holiday will mature into a player of Rozierís type and quality. Which I intend mostly to be a compliment.

    So I think he will end up good, but letís not get carried away.

    That said, I donít mind your idea. Iíd be happier with Rubio than overpaying for someone else if we strike out on Kemba/DLo/Brogdon.
    Last edited by SaintLouisan; 06-18-2019, 01:22 PM.

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  • rimrattler
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    I am to the point where I think we sign Thad and Bogie and fillers. Possibly Rubio. Tobias is decent but not a difference maker. I would hate to give him the max to come to Indy knowing he is not a top or second tier player.

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  • Handoverfist
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    I wouldnít mind bringing in Rubio on a short deal like we did DC to help mentor Holiday for a year and let him take over the next. Probably not realistic but I do think with the way Bird praised Holiday( saying he thinks he has All-Star potential) that Holiday is viewed as or point guard of the future.

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  • DrFife
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    Originally posted by Rogco View Post
    And huge no to Elfrid Payton.
    Interesting. If we were to commit to an up-tempo offense (anti-Nate??), I'd think he'd do well here. But Russell is categorically better, no doubt. I keep wondering about re-signing Collison (or CoJo) on a bargain contract for a couple more years, though, to give Holiday (and perhaps Sumner as well) time to develop and show his/their true potential. I'm not the biggest Holiday fan, but Larry saying Holiday has All-Star potential is noteworthy.

    Or, since next season is really just incubation for the following season (assuming fulll-strength Dipo), go ahead and start Holiday and let him develop (and make mistakes) at a faster rate. Spend our money on a wing (T Ross) and a rebounding big. Hmmm....

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  • ksuttonjr76
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    Originally posted by Rogco View Post
    I just don't see anyway that we come out of this summer much better than we were going into last season. And huge no to Elfrid Payton.
    Outside of a miracle....nope.

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  • Rogco
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    I just don't see anyway that we come out of this summer much better than we were going into last season. And huge no to Elfrid Payton.

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  • D-BONE
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    I'm preparing for something along the lines of the Randle & Payton suggestion. I don' think any of the major names, even at the level of Harris, will end up here via FA. Goes against history. Hope I'm wrong. Best bet is a trade for an you guy with potential or higher draft pick. I have serious doubts about Turner/Sabonis playing together. Probably have to move one of them. But I don't know that Sabonis has as much value as we tend to think. Would move Turner, but only for a legit talent.

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  • naptownmenace
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    Originally posted by festar35 View Post

    I have heard little to no chatter about Harris coming to Indiana over the last week or so. I think we go Bogdanovic as the cheaper option than Harris & their is a high chance Thad comes back.
    It's been a few weeks since the rumors of the Pacers being interested in him came out but I think out of all the free agents that the Pacers can realistically get he's the one I keep coming back to. I think Philly is more likely to give Jimmy Butler the max and Tobias could have a bigger role in Indy. Who knows though. This is all a big crap shoot, man.

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  • InYaFace
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    Originally posted by festar35 View Post

    I have heard little to no chatter about Harris coming to Indiana over the last week or so. I think we go Bogdanovic as the cheaper option than Harris & their is a high chance Thad comes back.
    Normally it's a good sign when you dont hear any media reports that link the Pacers to trades and FA signings, so Harris could be an option ;-)

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  • festar35
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    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
    This past week may have an affect on the Pacers plans going forward. With KD going down and AD getting traded to the Lakers, that might ruin the Nets plans to add Kyrie and KD. If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn instead of LA, I think the Pacers definitely have the inside track on DeAngelo Russell. If not, Dlo will probably re-sign with Brooklyn.

    I realistically think that the Pacers will sign Tobias Harris and Elfrid Payton, re-sign Bogey and give the young guys like Holiday, Sumner, Alize, and Leaf a real chance to prove themselves this year.
    I have heard little to no chatter about Harris coming to Indiana over the last week or so. I think we go Bogdanovic as the cheaper option than Harris & their is a high chance Thad comes back.

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  • naptownmenace
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    This past week may have an affect on the Pacers plans going forward. With KD going down and AD getting traded to the Lakers, that might ruin the Nets plans to add Kyrie and KD. If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn instead of LA, I think the Pacers definitely have the inside track on DeAngelo Russell. If not, Dlo will probably re-sign with Brooklyn.

    I realistically think that the Pacers will sign Tobias Harris and Elfrid Payton, re-sign Bogey and give the young guys like Holiday, Sumner, Alize, and Leaf a real chance to prove themselves this year.

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  • festar35
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    I think the biggest thing is what we have in Victor as soon as next season.
    - If Vic is going to be healthy for season start & come All-Star break hitting his odds form then I have no issue with getting an older guy like Conley.
    - If Vic misses the start of the season & won't be ready to really hit his stride again till 2020-21 season then I think we need to go younger.

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  • CableKC
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    Originally posted by DrFife View Post
    I've been conflicted about whether to keep any/some/all of our expiring players. Besides the emotional attachment from a fan point of view, I do respect the culture that's been established. Thad's cap hold may be a significant hurdle to re-signing him, and yet he probably has contributed more to the positive culture (Tyreke Evans' undesirable proclivities notwithstanding) than any other player this past season.

    This leads me to wonder about a passing-of-the-guard approach. What if we were to re-sign Thad & Bogie to longer-term, declining-salary contracts, and, say, Darren Collison to one more modest two-year contract. No room left for any big-name signings then, of course, but let's say that somehow we were to acquire an additional first-round pick. The idea would be to essentially tread water next season, give the youngsters a good supply of developmental minutes (ahem, Nate!), then have a blend of experienced youth and early-30s vets once Vic is back to full health.

    How does the board feel about acquiring an additional first-round pick in this draft instead of signing anyone over, say, $20M?
    I had no problem doing this 2 seasons ago. But this is more of an "Let's just do the same thing and do nothing" approach. I have always been fine with being patient over the last 3 seasons because I knew that our Salary Cap situation was stuck in the previous cycle while biding our time for when we would have enough Cap Space to make a major move. This was the offseason that everything was aligned and we have the opportunity to build a long term Core that can make a difference.

    I agree with the overall notion that this Team had overachieved this last season. This Team had great Chemistry that is able to give us the edge over any average Team ( or worse ). But once we start playing against above average Teams, this "Team Chemistry" edge fades away and we are left with the Pacers playing a Team that is simply more talented than the Pacers are. The best example was that "Death Schedule" stretch in March and when we ran into the Celtics in the 1st round and getting swept. During that stretch, this simply highlighted the fact that the Team with the better overall talent was going to win EVERY TIME.

    I have ZERO problems re-signing Bojan. But Adding back DC and even Thad will get us more of the same.

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