The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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2019 NBA Draft Prospects Statistical Analysis

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  • 2019 NBA Draft Prospects Statistical Analysis

    I gathered the Top 83 college prospects' playtype (PnR Ball Handler, Spot Up, Transition, Cut, Post Up, etc...) data from Synergy and categorized them using the statistical method of k-means clustering. This takes into account their tendencies only and doesn't reflect their actual production and efficiency (I'm working on that part). I'm also working on further breaking down each category and reclustering them according to tendencies again. For example off ball scorers could be primary slashers or catch and shoot type players. I've finished the combo guard portion already.
    Coby White Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Nickeil Alexande... Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Romeo Langford Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Kevin Porter Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Terance Mann Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Jordan Bone Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Luguentz Dort Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Jaylen Nowell Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Zach Norvell Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Miye Oni Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Charles Matthews Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Jordan Poole Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Terence Davis Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Quinndary Weatherspoon Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Justin Robinson Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    John Konchar Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Cody Martin Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Josh Reaves Combo Guard (SG/PG)
    Amir Coffey Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Kerwin Roach Jr. Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    James Palmer Combo Guard (PG/SG)
    Zion Williamson Modern Big/Big Wing
    DeAndre Hunter Modern Big/Big Wing
    Nassir Little Modern Big/Big Wing
    Rui Hachimura Modern Big/Big Wing
    Nicolas Claxton Modern Big/Big Wing
    Eric Paschall Modern Big/Big Wing
    Chuma Okeke Modern Big/Big Wing
    Isaiah Roby Modern Big/Big Wing
    Jalen McDaniels Modern Big/Big Wing
    Jaylen Hoard Modern Big/Big Wing
    Admiral Schofield Modern Big/Big Wing
    Jontay Porter Modern Big/Big Wing
    Zylan Cheatham Modern Big/Big Wing
    Oshae Brissett Modern Big/Big Wing
    Jarrey Foster Modern Big/Big Wing
    Robert Franks Modern Big/Big Wing
    RJ Barrett Off Ball Scorer
    Cameron Reddish Off Ball Scorer
    Tyler Herro Off Ball Scorer
    Keldon Johnson Off Ball Scorer
    KZ Okpala Off Ball Scorer
    Dylan Windler Off Ball Scorer
    Matisse Thybulle Off Ball Scorer
    Cam Johnson Off Ball Scorer
    Louis King Off Ball Scorer
    Talen Horton-Tuc... Off Ball Scorer
    Kris Wilkes Off Ball Scorer
    Ignas Brazdeikis Off Ball Scorer
    Aubrey Dawkins Off Ball Scorer
    DaQuan Jeffries Off Ball Scorer
    Charlie Brown Jr Off Ball Scorer
    Kyle Guy Off Ball Scorer
    Ja Morant Primary Ball Handler
    Jarrett Culver Primary Ball Handler
    Ty Jerome Primary Ball Handler
    Carsen Edwards Primary Ball Handler
    Jaylen Hands Primary Ball Handler
    Shamorie Ponds Primary Ball Handler
    Tremont Waters Primary Ball Handler
    Jared Harper Primary Ball Handler
    Ky Bowman Primary Ball Handler
    Justin Wright-Foreman Primary Ball Handler
    Justin James Primary Ball Handler
    Tyus Battle Primary Ball Handler
    Charles Bassey Traditional Big
    Bruno Fernando Traditional Big
    Mfiondu Kabengele Traditional Big
    Jaxson Hayes Traditional Big
    PJ Washington Traditional Big
    Brandon Clarke Traditional Big
    Daniel Gafford Traditional Big
    Grant Williams Traditional Big
    Moses Brown Traditional Big
    Tyler Cook Traditional Big
    Tacko Fall Traditional Big
    Naz Reid Traditional Big
    Dedric Lawson Traditional Big
    Dean Wade Traditional Big
    Sagaba Konate Traditional Big
    Donta Hall Traditional Big
    Kenny Wooten Traditional Big
    Bol Bol Traditional Big
    A few landed right on the edge like PJ Washington and Kabengale. The main reason for their traditional big category is their high number of post-up possessions they had in college with a low number of spot up possessions but I suspect when I gather more specific data they'll land more in the stretch big role.

    For the Pacers needs, they'll likely lose Collison and Joseph if they sign a starting guard so if Holiday becomes the primary backup, they could use a player from the Combo Guard SG/PG role to be essentially a third point guard on the roster that Holiday was last year.

    Another major hole that I think could be filled in the draft is the Tyreke Evans role aka a Combo Guard PG/SG (ex. Nickeil Alexander- Walker) aka a player with SG size who plays best as the primary ball handler in the second unit as well as excelling in PnR with passing to the Roll/Pop Man. The Pacers had the right roles set up last year but the problem with that 2nd unit was Evans was horribly inefficient and Joseph wasn't as efficient playing off the ball as he was the previous year (he hasn't been great as a PnR ball handler either years but this weakness was shown more this past season when everyone had to shoulder a greater load when Vic went down.)

    The other potential available role is the backup PF spot or the other "TJ Leaf swing big" role if the staff feels Leaf is ready for a jump in minutes (or they exhausted their cap space on other positions) as the third big because everything I've read this offseason makes me believe the Pacers are keen on moving Domas into the starting lineup next to Turner (which I also think would be a great move from a statistical viewpoint btw). The Pacers could go 2 different directions here. In the 2 previous years, their third big has been primarily a traditional big (Domas). With Domas moving into the starting lineup and replacing Thad, a modern big/big wing, they could look for that kind of player for the bench in FA, the draft, or call up Leaf or Alize (very unlikely I know but still an option) who both fit that modern big role. Or they could pair up their Combo PG/SG who excels at PnR Passing with a rim running traditional big (example Bruno Fernando).

    The possible combinations are endless but the Pacers have positioned themselves very well with their young players in roles that will help maximize everyone's success and therefore the team's success as well even if the overall talent eventually shows to fall behind that of other teams.
    Last edited by Pacersalltheway10; 06-07-2019, 02:07 PM.

  • #2
    Good write up. I really like Nickeil's skill set for this team.


    • #3
      I'm still in the process of organizing all the data and reviewing tape but Windler, Cam Johnson, Brazdeikis, Brandon Clarke, Nickeil Alexander-Walker and his teammate Justin Robinson look like they'll be really good value picks. Nasir Little and Romeo had some issues but scored extremely well in places that translate very well to the NBA (like excelling defending isolations,drives, and jump shots off the dribble) and could be mid round or late lottery steals with Romeo being the more NBA ready of the two freshman.
      Last edited by Pacersalltheway10; 06-10-2019, 03:41 AM.


      • #4
        Clarke and Johnson, especially Clark (I'm assuming we let Thad go, and agree with it, go get yourself a ring Thad) are two guys I like a lot in our range. I think Claxton is the guy I really want but he'll take patience, late into his 2nd year before you, hopefully of course, start seeing an every game consist skill set. Clarke will play well immediately, I'd play him off the bench in the playoffs right now but he's pretty close to plateaued I think. but he'll be solid and very playable for a long time.

        I just hope we go strictly for potential this draft. anybody expect Nate to be our coach for more than 2 more seasons? I don't, he shouldn't be short of a miracle. just draft some athletes at the very least.


        • #5
          Claxton is interesting. His ability to defend all over the court and protect the rim would be a welcome addition and a nice fit with either Myles or Sabonis. If the offense ever develops he could be really good.

          And I agree we need to pick athletes. Thatís why Iím not that interested in guys like Herro or this Euro coming in for an individual workout.


          • #6
            Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
            Claxton is interesting. His ability to defend all over the court and protect the rim would be a welcome addition and a nice fit with either Myles or Sabonis. If the offense ever develops he could be really good.

            And I agree we need to pick athletes. Thatís why Iím not that interested in guys like Herro or this Euro coming in for an individual workout.
            Agreed. Iíve been longing for a player that can go up and finish above the rim from a lob.


            • #7
              Here are the best fits for the Pacers in the ball handling groups and the tiers they are ranked in (according to the program). It took into account Net Points per possession, Transition points per possession, and Pick and roll passing, Isolation passing points per possession, and 3 pointers. Keep in mind it doesn't account for level of competition so those in mid majors basically should have an asterisk next to them like Miye Oni. After watching more tape I really like Ty Jerome. He's basically a 6'5 PG who can play off the ball just as well as he plays when handling it. Reminds me of college Brogdon (who he took over for at UVA) just without the extra 4 inches on the wingspan. He's not the best athlete but if you can defend high level players and score more points than you give up, it really doesn't matter what athletic tools you have or don't have. Romeo's low because he can't spread the floor at the moment but I'd rank him behind Morant, Culver, and White only because he's going to be a really good NBA player.

              If Romeo, Nickeil, and Jerome are somehow all gone then I'd look to the 2nd round to pick up one of these guys like Nowell or Justin Robinson or Weatherspoon or Carsen Edwards if he falls to #50. I'm disregarding Porter because as good as a shot creator he is that's pretty much all he does and Dort has a varied skillset but the production was pretty bad. Reminded me some of Archie Goodwin's lone season at Kentucky so he might find a good playoff team in the bottom of the first to bite on his potential and stash him on the end of the bench to develop.
              Ja Morant 1
              Miye Oni 1
              Nickeil Alexande... 1
              Jarrett Culver 1
              Ty Jerome 1
              Coby White 1
              Shamorie Ponds 1
              Cody Martin 1
              Justin Robinson 1
              Jaylen Nowell 1
              James Palmer 1
              Tremont Waters 1
              Terence Davis 2
              Carsen Edwards 2
              Quinndary Weatherspoon 2
              Jordan Poole 2
              Romeo Langford 2
              Ky Bowman 2
              Zach Norvell 2
              Terance Mann 2
              Amir Coffey 3
              Kerwin Roach Jr. 3
              Justin Wright-Foreman 3
              Jordan Bone 3
              Justin James 3
              John Konchar 3
              Jared Harper 3
              Charles Matthews 3
              Jaylen Hands 4
              Kevin Porter 4
              Luguentz Dort 4
              Josh Reaves 4