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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post


    So you honestly don't believe last year at this time the Pacers would not have traded Vic and pick a bench player for Leonard and Danny Green? Well I think they would have.

    I don't believe in the theory of "common Knowledge"
    No I know for a fact they wouldn't. They actually had the opportunity to do it, just like the Raptors and didnt.

    And I think deep down you know they wouldn't either. Common knowledge is very real.
    "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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    • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
      I finally had a chance to listen to the Dakich/KP interview. Based off of the interview; I suspect that the Pacers Offseason ( as many here fear ) will likely result in a Free Agent haul of Rubio, Bojan, Warren and some Guard or ( likely ) a Tweener Forward that is signed for $5 to 6 Mil contract.

      One thing that many of you bring up is the Pacers unwillingness to gamble and go after a "big fish" like DLo while being disappointed that after this second "3 Year Plan", all that we end up with is Rubio.

      KP mentions it at the end of the interview where he says that he can try to reach out and talk to the Player and his Agent to see if there is interest in coming to Indy. Sometimes he may get the chance to talk to them. Unfortunately, he doesn't always gets the chance to even actually talk to anyone. He doesn't elaborate too much on why, but it's safe to say that the standard reasons ( small market and cold city ) would likely apply. I don't know if this will foster an automatic "Why even bother won't even try to call someone like DLo when we can just settle for Rubio" Offseason. But I don't get the sense that KP was exaggerating. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he does reach out to DLo and his Agent, has a meeting but come away with the impression that he's looking to go to LaLaLand or sunny Phoenix.

      One thing to note is that if the rumors are true that the Lakers are interested in making a run at DLo, they can easily offer a similar offer that the Pacers can offer.

      Someone posted it here earlier. In the end; if all things are equal and a Free Agent doesn't want to come to Indy for whatever reason ( despite the Franchise's reputation and the success of the Pacers over the last couple of season ), there's not much we can do about that. But just because the Pacers end up with Rubio, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Pacers didn't try ( but strike out ) on someone like DLo.
      That KP quote is as close as anyone has ever came to communicating with the fans that our front office has tried to land an all star level free agent but that's vague as hell and far from clear communication.
      When Mark Cuban goes after a top tier free agent and strikes out as he often has it's well known to the fans that he's attempting to make an impact. If I were a Mavs fan I would respect this and know that my team always had it's eye on a championship. I'd like to know specifics at least when this is all over as to what who our front office put an offer on the table for. There is no shame in getting rejected for another team but not being clear with the fans and leaving them to think we're settling for 3rd tier starters and bench players with 58 mil in cap space just sucks.
      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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      • Obviously Pacers are not rumored because they are probably offering 2 years, they can't even get a Beverly


        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
          ^i disagree. I guarantee you Dangelo Russell, Tobias Harris, and Khrys Middleton all sign for less than what the Pacers COULD and should offer, even if it costs us the amazing Doug McDermott. And players care about the money being offered. I guarantee you the Pacers did not have a serious talk about paying Russell what it would take to earn interest, and more or less went "hey mr russel's agent, does Dangelo Russel want to come play and live in Indianapolis Indiana for around 19 million a year? No? Darn, see we cant afford any more salary than that because pur bench takes up 35% of our cap space and, you see, our camaraderie and chemistry is so important. Thanks anyway"
          So now we're assuming that the Pacers are making low ball offers????


          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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          • We will just have to wait and see how much the second tier guys sign for. If they all get max contracts then you all are right and I was wrong. If they sign for 20-25 mil and we never hear about a meeting or anything and no max offer, the Pacers simply didn't bother to try hard enough because Doug McDermott and his $7m a year contract was too important to sign a max player.

            if you are the Pacers you will have to max one of those guys if you are serious. If the Pacers are offering what the Lakers would offer for a particular player then the Pacers are just wasting time.

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            • Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
              Im not trying to be a downer and I have almost always been a sunshiner but God damn it we waited years to finally have some cap space and the FO is farting in our collective faces and blaming it on the free agents. Like someone else said, this isn't Siberia and money talks. We arent talking about KD, Kawhi, and Irving.. We are talking second and third tier hetr and we are ******** the bed on purpose because positions 6-8 are soooo important.
              Obviously...money don't talk.


              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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              • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                So now we're assuming that the Pacers are making low ball offers????
                Report is they are offering two years deals (Lowe and Brian), that's low balling.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

                  That KP quote is as close as anyone has ever came to communicating with the fans that our front office has tried to land an all star level free agent but that's vague as hell and far from clear communication.
                  When Mark Cuban goes after a top tier free agent and strikes out as he often has it's well known to the fans that he's attempting to make an impact. If I were a Mavs fan I would respect this and know that my team always had it's eye on a championship. I'd like to know specifics at least when this is all over as to what who our front office put an offer on the table for. There is no shame in getting rejected for another team but not being clear with the fans and leaving them to think we're settling for 3rd tier starters and bench players with 58 mil in cap space just sucks.
                  And Mark Cuban, by nature, is a very vocal GM....not every GM speaks up about failed attempts.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • Originally posted by Rogco View Post

                    This all sounds like a highly unlikely narrative you have created to fit what you want to believe.
                    No i don't want them to fail. I want the Pacers to wildly succeed. Thats why I am sick and tired of us setting ourselves up for glorified mediocrity. I want a real difference maker so that we can be good before Oladipo comes back and better when he comes back. The league is wide open right now and we shouldnt keep waiting to see what other teams do and we should be proactive and put the best roster that we possibly can on the floor to try like hell to get to the finals this year.

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                    • Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                      We will just have to wait and see how much the second tier guys sign for. If they all get max contracts then you all are right and I was wrong. If they sign for 20-25 mil and we never hear about a meeting or anything and no max offer, the Pacers simply didn't bother to try hard enough because Doug McDermott and his $7m a year contract was too important to sign a max player.

                      if you are the Pacers you will have to max one of those guys if you are serious. If the Pacers are offering what the Lakers would offer for a particular player then the Pacers are just wasting time.
                      Question - if the entire rest of the league won't offer a max contract why is it a sin for the Pacers not to do so? One would think that 29 other teams NOT offering the max would mean THIS IS NOT A MAX PLAYER, and the Pacers highballing the offer is essentially just setting us up for the inevitable "THE STUPID FRONT OFFICE WASTED MAX MONEY ON A PRETENDER THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING TO GET A REAL FA IN HERE" response.

                      Seems like another example of "do something stupid or no one will ever believe you would do something smart."
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • All you hear from national view is Indy is a flyover city. The only way the Pacers get even a 2nd tier player is by grossly overpaying them. Then being stuck in cap hell if the player flops. My guess and guessing is all anyone is doing , is that KP has already been told by Dlo and other 2nd tier free agents, is that their clients have no interest in playing in Indy. KP has no choice but to move on IF that is the case. The agents and players are the ones in control of free agency

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                        • Some people are very out-of-touch with reality....

                          Free agents have freedom of choice, and they choose not to play for Indiana for whatever reason. It's really that simple.


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          • Originally posted by Downtown Bang! View Post
                            Could still be surprised but how this off season is shaping up is underwhelming considering the positioning of contracts, projected cap space etc. I think the possibility of signing an All Star level free agent will always be a long shot for the Pacers. Throw in the fact that the future of the teams best player is uncertain and that idea gets significantly harder.

                            Where I think KP should be questioned is not being able to (or not trying) to leverage this years expiring deals at the trade deadline for young players with upside and/or future draft picks after Vic got hurt. That may be an opportunity the organization regrets not capitalizing on for a while.......
                            This should be a damn near fireable offense to a team that can not sign good free agents and must do their heavy lifting through trades and the draft. KP still has a few days left to redeem himself in my eyes otherwise I’ll be headed over to the dark side.

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                            • Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                              All you hear from national view is Indy is a flyover city. The only way the Pacers get even a 2nd tier player is by grossly overpaying them. Then being stuck in cap hell if the player flops. My guess and guessing is all anyone is doing , is that KP has already been told by Dlo and other 2nd tier free agents, is that their clients have no interest in playing in Indy. KP has no choice but to move on IF that is the case. The agents and players are the ones in control of free agency
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                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSX-7eHf3tI

                              I remember the one year that Legler was going on and on and on during an ABC broadcast about the Pacers not being a good team, and it seemed like he was genuinely upset that Pacers were giving the Derek Rose-led Bulls solid competition...I was so pissed off with that commentary.


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                                Some people are very out-of-touch with reality....

                                Free agents have freedom of choice, and they choose not to play for Indiana for whatever reason. It's really that simple.
                                No that's a perception.
                                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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