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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by Banta View Post

    Good is good enough. Iím a season ticket purchaser and Iíd rather see good than bad.

    I donít mean to slight those of you who pine for a championship but you all seem to take this too seriously. Pro sports is entertainment. Iím thoroughly entertained seeing the team win more often than not. A championship is not required.

    I realize this sounds crass, but I think some of you should look for something that brings more authentic fulfillment in your lives. MANY of you seem way too invested in sports.

    It would be awesome to see Kemba or Russell out there. I want the team to make those moves. But if they donít? Iím still gonna see mostly wins with Rubio or Holiday on the floor.
    It doesnt sound crass.....it sounds idiotic tho.

    "Good is good enough"

    Wtf has happened to people? They used to want to win.

    How entertaining, they beat an average team in a meaningless game. How is that entertaining? Go watch the globetrotters if you just want a show.
    "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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    • I also rate him higher than Russell, but Russell has the higher ceiling (should he continue development). As much as I'd rather have Rubio, I believe we need to make the move for Russell.
      Same. Sadly I think we really do need to be seen to make a move in the interests of the future. Will likely be an overpay if we pull it off, and then the same people begging for the Pacers to make a big signing will crap in it in two years time despite claiming now that they ďthink itís a risk worth takingĒ.

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      • Originally posted by Banta View Post

        Good is good enough. Iím a season ticket purchaser and Iíd rather see good than bad.

        I donít mean to slight those of you who pine for a championship but you all seem to take this too seriously. Pro sports is entertainment. Iím thoroughly entertained seeing the team win more often than not. A championship is not required.

        Yes being a good team is much better than a bad team. But this team is so far away from being bad. Ex. the Mike Suckleavy years. They are in a position to radically improve the team for the first time in franchise history. The expectation should be greatness.

        Yet all we have heard from this front office is that status quo is the goal. That just isn’t going to cut it this time around. Not for the Hardcore fan base.

        I was a year after year season ticket holder at various levels from the Mike and Ike years up to 2016 (started a family). And a diehard fan for several decades.
        Last edited by graphic-er; 06-26-2019, 12:54 AM.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
          Outside of Gobert, Rubio hasn't had the things you say he needs, yet he was good in a slow paced offense in Utah.

          Our talent is much better suited for Rubio's game than any team he's played for. He would thrive here, imo.

          I also rate him higher than Russell, but Russell has the higher ceiling (should he continue development). As much as I'd rather have Rubio, I believe we need to make the move for Russell.
          Gobert, Mitchell and Ingles are very good players to surround Rubio with, last year they even benched Favors so they could open up space with Crowder at PF that is still not enough for me to get the best Rubio.

          Utah needed more shooting reason why they decided to get Conley and let Ricky go.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

            Gobert, Mitchell and Ingles are very good players to surround Rubio with, last year they even benched Favors so they could open up space with Crowder at PF that is still not enough for me to get the best Rubio.

            Utah needed more shooting reason why they decided to get Conley and let Ricky go.
            An old-school big, Sir Chucksalot, and the affable yet overrated Aussie?

            Offensively speaking, Turner, Dipo, Bogey, and Sabonis are much more offensively potent, especially from range, than Gobert, Mitchell, Ingles, and Favors/Crowder (the latter shooting 33% from 3 last year). Only Mitchell beat his (hobbled) counterpart from 3 statistically, and only by 2%. Itís not even close between Turner/Gobert and Sabonis/Favors.

            They best us on D but thatís a different story.
            Last edited by SaintLouisan; 06-26-2019, 12:53 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

              It doesnt sound crass.....it sounds idiotic tho.

              "Good is good enough"

              Wtf has happened to people? They used to want to win.

              How entertaining, they beat an average team in a meaningless game. How is that entertaining? Go watch the globetrotters if you just want a show.
              Preach it. We used to be a team that made aggressive trades to upgrade talent during the Walsh era. Jalen Rose, artest, brad miller, Steven Jackson.
              Then we suffered years of Suckleavy and Flip Murray, and Travis Diener. Then the moment. Bird finally built the team into contenders again, he let all the young talent walk out the door. Lance Stephenson, Evan Turner. In favor of shopping the bargain bin in free agency.
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                I donít think I want Rubio anymore as I expect Pacers (like they did with Monta) to put him in the worse position possible.

                Rubio needs shooters around him and athletic players that can grab an alley up once in a while, so far Pacers donít have any of that, better grab DC and be mediocre how is supposed to be

                And Nate is not going to play up tempo either making Rubio look even worse.
                HAHAHAHA imagine that

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                • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                  OK. Iíll play along Peck. Iím just as impatient as you, but given the entire interview and the specific things he said heíd do: if you were the GM, what moves would you make?


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                  Well to play this game we have to agree on one thing. I have been banging the drum of change since after last off season when we lost to LeBron in 7. I felt then was the time to hit while the fire was hot and that I never EVER believed that we could or would get a big name free agent to come here. I would have been aggressively working the trade route right after that 7 game series when we had a ton of expiring contracts to offer people who despite all of the statements being otherwise still had value to other teams bloated from the "smoothing" of the bubble cap from a couple of years ago. I never would have let Al Jeffersons contract just expire, he easily could have been packaged with another player to get either a decent player in return or a draft pick (lower first rounder but still better than nothing).

                  Then we would also have to agree that if I'm playing this game that by the trade deadline this past season I would have been balls to the wall looking to move whatever I had left in an attempt to garner better players or draft picks. Yes I know that means we would have dropped to 7th or 8th but would the end result have really been any different? Losing 4 to the Bucks or Raptors wouldn't have been any better or worse than losing in four to the Celtics.

                  However since none of that occurred prior to this draft I would have been fielding trade request for Myles Turner, Domas Sabonis, Tj Leaf, Aaron Holiday and anyone else not a free agent.

                  I would have done all that I could to have gotten in on that Lakers- Pelicans trade to be the third team to bring back assets. I have a feeling that Myles Turner would look probably really good next to an athletic powerful forward who can rebound and my guess is the Pelicans would really like to have someone to take defensive pressure off of Zion. Or if I couldn't have gotten in on that trade I would be exploring with the Pelicans what they would give for Myles. A sign and trade of Julius Randal with Lanzo Ball or Brandon Ingram for Myles and whatever filler it took (maybe 3 or 4 second rounders) would have been a decent haul. I know that defensively it would have hurt but I just believe that the talent upgrade at multiple positions would be a good thing.

                  I do not now nor have I ever believed we were going to be in the running for any free agent who would make a difference, so to me it has always been about traded. Now I have foolishly allowed myself to entertain the thought of Russell because I did read him linked to us by a couple of different new sights that I trust but in my heart I know that is a pipe dream.

                  What I do NOT want to happen is to have KP just sign back Thad & Wes Mathews and company and say "we were on pace to be a 2nd or 3rd seed till Victor went down". We played a crap ton of crappy teams that we obliterated but when the schedule got to cooking we mostly came up short against real teams and we all saw how the playoffs went.

                  But I get your point and I'm glad you asked, there is nothing worse than someone who always *****es about things but has no alternative to offer. I deal with that in my everyday life so believe me I enjoy being called out for it whenever I do it myself.



                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • Originally posted by Banta View Post

                    Good is good enough. Iím a season ticket purchaser and Iíd rather see good than bad.

                    I donít mean to slight those of you who pine for a championship but you all seem to take this too seriously. Pro sports is entertainment. Iím thoroughly entertained seeing the team win more often than not. A championship is not required.

                    I realize this sounds crass, but I think some of you should look for something that brings more authentic fulfillment in your lives. MANY of you seem way too invested in sports.

                    It would be awesome to see Kemba or Russell out there. I want the team to make those moves. But if they donít? Iím still gonna see mostly wins with Rubio or Holiday on the floor.
                    Fellow season ticket holder here. I also would much prefer seeing good vs bad. That is why you will never read me use the words we should tank (unless I am pissed in the moment during or after a loss, hey I'm only human).

                    But I also have another caveat. I want them building towards something while they are being good. I don't want them to accept mediocrity, which they sometimes give the appearance of doing.

                    You mean to tell me that if KP came out at the beginning of next season and said "look Victor is not coming back till at least mid season and even then he is going to be on a minute restriction. So with that in mind we are going to use this season to develop our young talent. Now we are not tanking and we are going to win every game that we can possibly win but we have to see where these players are when Victor is at full health again." that you would cancel your season tickets?

                    As to getting a better life. Truer words have probably never been typed. I don't follow any other sport nor to I follow any other team. Yes the Pacers have been too much a part of my day to day life for the better part of my life. Hell I would not even consider a more lucrative job offer back in the early 90's because it would have caused me to miss more than half of the games in a season. But then again, you came to a message board dedicated to the NBA in general and the Pacers specifically. Did you think that you weren't going to find die hards on here or did you have the mistaken vision that a die hard fan only looks like the great fans up in the cheering sections. I can assure you that while I ***** and moan to no end that I do live and die with this team. Consider me the Randy Quaid character from Major League 2.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    • Originally posted by Peck View Post

                      Well to play this game we have to agree on one thing. I have been banging the drum of change since after last off season when we lost to LeBron in 7. I felt then was the time to hit while the fire was hot and that I never EVER believed that we could or would get a big name free agent to come here. I would have been aggressively working the trade route right after that 7 game series when we had a ton of expiring contracts to offer people who despite all of the statements being otherwise still had value to other teams bloated from the "smoothing" of the bubble cap from a couple of years ago. I never would have let Al Jeffersons contract just expire, he easily could have been packaged with another player to get either a decent player in return or a draft pick (lower first rounder but still better than nothing).

                      Then we would also have to agree that if I'm playing this game that by the trade deadline this past season I would have been balls to the wall looking to move whatever I had left in an attempt to garner better players or draft picks. Yes I know that means we would have dropped to 7th or 8th but would the end result have really been any different? Losing 4 to the Bucks or Raptors wouldn't have been any better or worse than losing in four to the Celtics.

                      However since none of that occurred prior to this draft I would have been fielding trade request for Myles Turner, Domas Sabonis, Tj Leaf, Aaron Holiday and anyone else not a free agent.

                      I would have done all that I could to have gotten in on that Lakers- Pelicans trade to be the third team to bring back assets. I have a feeling that Myles Turner would look probably really good next to an athletic powerful forward who can rebound and my guess is the Pelicans would really like to have someone to take defensive pressure off of Zion. Or if I couldn't have gotten in on that trade I would be exploring with the Pelicans what they would give for Myles. A sign and trade of Julius Randal with Lanzo Ball or Brandon Ingram for Myles and whatever filler it took (maybe 3 or 4 second rounders) would have been a decent haul. I know that defensively it would have hurt but I just believe that the talent upgrade at multiple positions would be a good thing.

                      I do not now nor have I ever believed we were going to be in the running for any free agent who would make a difference, so to me it has always been about traded. Now I have foolishly allowed myself to entertain the thought of Russell because I did read him linked to us by a couple of different new sights that I trust but in my heart I know that is a pipe dream.

                      What I do NOT want to happen is to have KP just sign back Thad & Wes Mathews and company and say "we were on pace to be a 2nd or 3rd seed till Victor went down". We played a crap ton of crappy teams that we obliterated but when the schedule got to cooking we mostly came up short against real teams and we all saw how the playoffs went.

                      But I get your point and I'm glad you asked, there is nothing worse than someone who always *****es about things but has no alternative to offer. I deal with that in my everyday life so believe me I enjoy being called out for it whenever I do it myself.
                      Reading through this, I feel like you are describing the Florida Marlins. Always collecting assets, then the minute any of those prospects look promising, immediately trade them for newer prospects with long odds. I know that they have won two championships over the last 25 years, but if you offered me two championships and 21 losing seasons out of 25, or 23 winning seasons with 6 seasons making it to the final four, I find it strange that anybody would want to pay to see that much losing. Different strokes I guess.

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                      • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                        Outside of Gobert, Rubio hasn't had the things you say he needs, yet he was good in a slow paced offense in Utah.

                        Our talent is much better suited for Rubio's game than any team he's played for. He would thrive here, imo.

                        I also rate him higher than Russell, but Russell has the higher ceiling (should he continue development). As much as I'd rather have Rubio, I believe we need to make the move for Russell.
                        I think many on here over value Russell & under value Rubio. Especially when you factor in the salaries each will command.

                        You know what you get with Rubio. A solid pro that plays hard every night, defends and does all the small things things that make an offense work. His inconsistent shooting/scoring can be a concern particularly if Vic can't get back to where he was efficiency wise in 2017-18 but all other aspects of his game are solid.

                        IMO the only reason the Pacers should look hard at Russell is if you are convinced he will continue to grow as a player and be determined to earn every $$ of that contract. Missing on him with that contract has the potential to be as devastating to this teams future as Vic's injury. If making a push for one of the top tier PG's I'd rather look at Kemba or Brogdon.

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                        • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

                          It doesnt sound crass.....it sounds idiotic tho.

                          "Good is good enough"

                          Wtf has happened to people? They used to want to win.

                          How entertaining, they beat an average team in a meaningless game. How is that entertaining? Go watch the globetrotters if you just want a show.
                          Feel free to take your own advice.

                          Seems odd odd that you gripe to no end about the team changing course with its operational standards and tell the people that support the team to leave, rather than just leaving yourself and finding a team that meets your lofty goal of winning championships every year.

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                          • Russell reminds me a ton of Evan Turner. Both #2 picks out of Ohio State, both are not good 3 point shooters, both are taller guards with very good passing instincts, both are poor defenders, both have sweet mid-range games and both are immature.

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                            • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                              Russell reminds me a ton of Evan Turner. Both #2 picks out of Ohio State, both are not good 3 point shooters, both are taller guards with very good passing instincts, both are poor defenders, both have sweet mid-range games and both are immature.
                              Evan Turner entered the NBA at 22 Russell has been in the NBA for 4 years and is just now 22.

                              Turner has never averaged more than 17.4 ppg in his career and that was the fluke season when Philly suckered Bird into taking him for Granger where he immediately went to below his career avg of 9.9 by finishing off the season at 7.2 ppg

                              Turner's career 3pt fg % is 30% which is influenced with him shooting 50% when he was here somehow.

                              Russell's career 3pt fg% is 35% with last season hitting 37%

                              As to his defense I don't think I've yet to read where you didn't think somebody's defense wasn't poor so there is that.

                              Other than both being from OSU and both being the # 2 pick and maybe immaturity there really isn't anything similar about their games.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • Search the word "title" or "championship" on here and I'll bet you won't see but a handful of posts. We as fans don't demand it and that's why the Pacers are fine with rolling out a 45 win hardworking team that will get bounced in round 1 or 2 in what they hopes is at least 6 games. It's accepted. It stinks. All I hope for is the ECF, that's our championship

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