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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post

    At the start of free agency if we make an offer to DLo and he signs it would the nets have until July 8th to match it. Is there any way that we can force the nets hand to either match Dlo or chase other free agents?
    Only if they agree to terms with another free agent, then they would renounce D-Lo, basically making him an unrestricted, I would assume if we had an offer sheet signed, that would make it an agreed to contract.

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    • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post

      At the start of free agency if we make an offer to DLo and he signs it would the nets have until July 8th to match it. Is there any way that we can force the nets hand to either match Dlo or chase other free agents?
      If you mean match it immediately on June 30th ( instead of waiting until July 8th ), then the answer is "technically" no. There is no direct pressure that the Pacers can directly put on the Nets. It's on the Nets to decide on what they do. They can wait until July 7th at 11:59pm PDT to decide to match him or not.

      But one thing to keep in mind ( and someone will have to correct me if I am wrong ) is that they can't make a formal offer to a Free Agent UNLESS they actually have the Cap Space to make the offer. If the #s that I ran earlier are correct ( assuming that they give a MAX $35+ mil offer to Kyrie, do not renounce DLo and make other Salary cutting moves like dump Dinwiddie ) the biggest offer that they can make to any Free Agent is roughly $13+ mil.

      This means that if they want to get another top tier Starter, they have to make a choice about whether to keep DLo or not.

      In the end, I'm guessing that we don't have to wait that long. The only real pressure that the Nets have is if they are targeting other Free Agents and they are getting picked off one by one. The longer they wait, the less chance that they have to get the guy that they want.
      Last edited by CableKC; 06-19-2019, 04:14 PM.
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      • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

        This is how the conversation would go...

        Nets GM: So Jimmy, would you like to play for us, we have a max salary contract for you.

        Jimmy Butler: Yes, Iíd like that very much, thank you.

        Nets GM: Hey league office, yeah weíre going to renounce our Bird Rights on Deangelo Russell.

        Adam Silverís secretary: Okay

        Nets GM: Okay Jimmy, sign right here.

        They donít have to have cap space to talk to Free Agents, and they can renounce at any point in the process. Why would they renunce before they have to?
        I wasn't suggesting that they have to renounce the free agents just to talk to them. I'm just saying that they have to formally renounce them ONLY if they know they the Free Agent will sign with them. Of course, if the Players they are targeting isn't going to go to Brooklyn, then there is no point. My question was more towards the notion that IF they want to sign 2 MAX Free Agents, they MUST renounce DLo in order to do so.

        I was going off of the reports that the Nets cleared so much cap Space that they can afford 2 MAX Free Agents WHILE keeping the Cap Hold for DLo. In reality, they can't.
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        • In the end, going the "safe route" ( going after Rubio ) where they get ONE of the guys that they are targeting is the route that I think that the FO will take. Doing this as opposed to the "let's gamble and wait it out" route ( making a run at DLo ) by going after the best option available does not appear to be in the DNA of this FO and Ownership.

          I wish the Pacers would take the "Force the Nets to match DLo or not while accepting the likely scenario where they have to wait it out until July 8th" route then see what's left on the FA Market. I have no problem swinging for the fences, missing then going after Brogdon or Rozier as Plan C or D. But I suspect ( based off of past track record with the apparent pursuit of Aaron Gordon ) that the Pacers ( knowing that the Nets are going to wait it out and force the Pacers to wait as long as possible ) will end up going the "safe route" and just make an offer to Rubio ( whose a UFA ) knowing that they have more control. This would then allow them to pursue whoever without having to wait it out.
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          • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

            We already seen him as a starter when Myles was out.. Team gave up near 120 points those 8 games and Sabonis struggled. Heís a good 6 man but an average starter kinda like Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford
            Domas started only 5 games. Remember, Nate decided it was better to start KOQ over Domas to keep the bench continuity lol. Youíre right that the team struggled defensively in those games, but that could partially be attributed to 4 of those 5 gms being on the road and 3 of 5 against top 10 offenses (Spurs/Raps/Celtics). Domas himself was dominant offensively during that 5 gm stretch so not sure why you say he struggled. He put up 18/12/4 on 58% shooting in less than 32 min. The guys gonna put up numbers either as a starter or coming off the bench. I think thereís an argument to be made that he might be even better as a starter playing alongside guys like Vic and BB opposed to bad offensive players like CoJo and Tyreke.

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            • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              I wasn't suggesting that they have to renounce the free agents just to talk to them. I'm just saying that they have to formally renounce them ONLY if they know they the Free Agent will sign with them. Of course, if the Players they are targeting isn't going to go to Brooklyn, then there is no point. My question was more towards the notion that IF they want to sign 2 MAX Free Agents, they MUST renounce DLo in order to do so.

              I was going off of the reports that the Nets cleared so much cap Space that they can afford 2 MAX Free Agents WHILE keeping the Cap Hold for DLo. In reality, they can't.
              I got you, there are a lot of morons out there reporting stuff when it is obvious they donít knLo any of the rules. I have seen D-Lo to the T-Wolves, I have even seen Boogie Cousins to the Bucks, there is no cap space.

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              • Irregardless of what the Pacers do or dont do this is going to be the large league shakeup of all time, imo.

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                • Not that it counts for beans, but Bogie is getting mentioned big time here in LA as an ideal free agent target for the Lakers. Moat of the local radio hosts prefer not to go after another Max free agent, but instead take the "Toronto Raptors approach" (their words, not mine) of building out a competent roster around a superstar (in this case, two superstars). Inevitably, when this conversation begins, Bogie seems to be the popular choice among those I've heard. Has been a surprise, to be honest.

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                  • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                    That's some good weed you're smoking. If they wanted Turner for Zion, Turner would be good as gone. I would drive to Turner's house in the middle of the night, break into it, and wake his butt up. The whole time I would be screaming "Let's go! Time to go! Move it! Move it!" while he was packing his stuff up.

                    Turner would be on a private jet to New Orleans before he even realized what just happened.
                    Haha! I can see why many would say that. I'm just not sold on him. Reminds me of a short Julius Randle. Big, strong, aggressive... questionable shot. He'll put up great numbers on a bad team until he gets an inevitable injury that detracts from his athleticism. Then, he's just a tweener with no real impact on the league. Sorry, not impressed. Could be wrong though!

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                    • Originally posted by GizzyStardust View Post
                      Not that it counts for beans, but Bogie is getting mentioned big time here in LA as an ideal free agent target for the Lakers. Moat of the local radio hosts prefer not to go after another Max free agent, but instead take the "Toronto Raptors approach" (their words, not mine) of building out a competent roster around a superstar (in this case, two superstars). Inevitably, when this conversation begins, Bogie seems to be the popular choice among those I've heard. Has been a surprise, to be honest.
                      It all comes down to whether a Team has and is willing to pay up to $18 mil a year to pry him away from the Pacers. Bojan will make the final choice, but I would suspect ( and pray ) that if the $$ is equal ( short of going to a Contender like Milwaukee, Toronto or the Lakers ) he would choose to stay with the Pacers.
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                      • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                        Give Sabonis 36 per game and heís an All Star. Dudeís 23 putting up huge numbers in 26 per.
                        Most of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit. As a starter when Myles was hurt - our defense went in the crapper and the offense got notably worse also.

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                        • Originally posted by vnzla81
                          The Thunder have made Steven Adams, Dennis Schroeder, and Andre Roberson available in trade talks
                          The #3, #4 and #5 salaries on their roster.

                          No thanks - their mistakes - let them suffer thru it.

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                          • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                            I don't think Indiana does the trade unless they're pretty sure they're going to sign a top FA this offseason...Only acquiring Ingram and the #4 pick while losing Turner then resigning some our of UFAs would be a punt in my book.
                            No, I think you misunderstood me. I meant rebuild as in not bringing any of their current UFA back and going after 2 max free agents or 1 max and multiple 10 million level players (assuming they trade Myles for the #4 and more capspace).

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