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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    Can someone help me run the numbers for the Nets when it come to their existing Salary Cap #s?

    For reference:

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/cap/

    - 9 Players under contract at $33.857 mil.
    - Deron Williams DEAD CAP is set at $5.47 mil
    - DLo's Cap hold is $21.06 mil.

    Total Salary is roughly $60.4 mil.

    The NBA Salary Cap for 2019 is $109 mil

    That would mean that the Nets have $48.6 mil to spend on Free Agents. Split evenly between 2 Free Agents, we are looking at roughly $24.5 mil. This will net them 2 Near MAX Free Agents, but not 2 MAX RFA Free Agents.

    Ignoring that, Kyrie is going to cost at least $35 mil. That would mean that the Nets have $13.6 mil to spend to fill up their roster.

    What am I missing here?

    How are the Nets able to afford 2 MAX Free Agents when the #s don't appear to match up?

    Short of renouncing the rights to DLo ( which they haven't done yet ) or trading Dinwiddie for Cap Space ( to free up roughly $10.5 mil in Cap Space ), I am confused as to why everyone says that they have enough Salary Cap space to sign 2 MAX Free Agents.
    D-Lo is clearly their backup plan. They hope to sign Jimmy or somebody else, if they do then they will renounce Russell. If they canít draw a second max guy, then they match Russell and go with a Kyrie and Russell backcourt.

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    • Originally posted by dwtaylor1055 View Post
      According to J. Michael(Pacers beat writer for the Indy Star) its reported that Pacers are not parting with Aaron Holiday in ANY deal unless they are extremely blown away(obtaining Conley is not a blown away offer). His name was constant in just about every trade discussion that opposing teams wanted but the Pacers would decline any option that he was included in, the Pacers believe he's the future of this team and can be an All-Star level.
      i don't believe this at all. trying to up his value for a trade?

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      • Originally posted by dwtaylor1055 View Post
        If they land Russell, Aaron can play both guard positions off the bench with meaningful minutes. If they miss on Russell, Aaron COULD be the starting PG with a respectable backup PG.
        I think Aaron would be a great sixth man on a great team. D-Lo is definitely big enough to play with him, so you would have a three guard rotation, Vic and D-lo getting 35 minutes leaves 26 minutes for Holiday, plenty of time for a second year guard.

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        • Conley has been traded to Utah per Woj
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          • I think we're probably going to sign Rubio, but I'd rather not.

            Jimmy is the dream fit. In order to maximize the potential of Sabonis and Turner playing together, Vic should be smallest player in the lineup. Jimmy flanked with Bojan and Vic along Sabonis and Myles would be one of the most effective lineups in the league on both ends. Unfortunately, it won't happen.

            I'd rather us still try to go in that general direction. I'm not sure I love a Rubio/Vic backcourt if the frontcourt is still Bogie/Sabonis/Myles. Jeremy Lamb and Malcolm Brogdon at 3/45 feel like great targets to me.

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            • For three player and a late first this year and a future first
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              • Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
                Myles, Aaron Holiday and #18 for #4 and Jrue Holiday
                Trade a 23 year old and rookie for a 29 year old guard that has injury history and can decline any moment..

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                • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                  D-Lo is clearly their backup plan. They hope to sign Jimmy or somebody else, if they do then they will renounce Russell. If they canít draw a second max guy, then they match Russell and go with a Kyrie and Russell backcourt.
                  But that's the reason why I asked about the Salary Cap numbers that I mention above.

                  If they are correct, then they can't afford to make an offer to another MAX Player without renouncing DLo in the first place. I guess that they may hold onto him until the end and then renounce him if they go out and get some feelers to see if they can get another MAX Player. But if they don't renounce DLo, then ( at most ) they are looking at a DLo+Kyrie + Starting Role Player ( like Danny Green ) or some high end 6th Man.
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                  • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                    Trade a 23 year old and rookie for a 29 year old guard that has injury history and can decline any moment..
                    Well, you are getting the #4 pick in that scenario. So it's more like getting a 29 year old Starting PG and a younger Player at #4 with more upside.

                    BTW, I totally agree with you. I'd rather keep Myles, Aaron, sign Rubio and then draft someone with some upside at #18.
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                    • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                      You should know how our fans are.. we want to keep the player with sneaky athleticism and gives good hustle but has limited potential over somebody with all star and dpoy potential
                      Give Sabonis 36 per game and heís an All Star. Dudeís 23 putting up huge numbers in 26 per. If he develops a 3, which thereís no reason to assume he wonít, heíll be a freakin machine offensively. Some of you are selling him short.

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                      • I love Myles and Domas just as much, if not more than most. But after thinking about it, I came to the following conclusion:

                        If we are sticking with Nate as our coach, itís better to trade Myles and keep Sabonis.

                        Weíve waited for Myles to be given the opportunity to expand his offensive game, but McMillan either keep his shots down and tells him to stay inside the arc or Turner becomes timid when the rare chance arises for him to take his shots. Nate clearly has no issues running the ball through Sabonis, and the chemistry between Vic and Domas is something Iíd rather not throw out and potentially **** off our one current star.

                        But if Nate were to be replaced, as some have already said, with a more creative and offensive minded (not just guard oriented) coach, Myles would truly have the chance to blossom into the player we all think he can become.

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                        • If it means bringing back Thad and Bojan, I donít mind the Rubio rumors. Having Rubio as a slashing playmaker freeing up the better shooting in Bojan and Vic doesnt make me as concerned with his lack of shooting. You can afford to have one subpar shooter in your starting lineup, especially if theyíre a worldclass playmaker and plus defender.
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                          • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                            D-Lo is clearly their backup plan. They hope to sign Jimmy or somebody else, if they do then they will renounce Russell. If they canít draw a second max guy, then they match Russell and go with a Kyrie and Russell backcourt.
                            At the start of free agency if we make an offer to DLo and he signs it would the nets have until July 8th to match it. Is there any way that we can force the nets hand to either match Dlo or chase other free agents?

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                            • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              But that's the reason why I asked about the Salary Cap numbers that I mention above.

                              If they are correct, then they can't afford to make an offer to another MAX Player without renouncing DLo in the first place. I guess that they may hold onto him until the end and then renounce him if they go out and get some feelers to see if they can get another MAX Player. But if they don't renounce DLo, then ( at most ) they are looking at a DLo+Kyrie + Starting Role Player ( like Danny Green ) or some high end 6th Man.
                              This is how the conversation would go...

                              Nets GM: So Jimmy, would you like to play for us, we have a max salary contract for you.

                              Jimmy Butler: Yes, Iíd like that very much, thank you.

                              Nets GM: Hey league office, yeah weíre going to renounce our Bird Rights on Deangelo Russell.

                              Adam Silverís secretary: Okay

                              Nets GM: Okay Jimmy, sign right here.

                              They donít have to have cap space to talk to Free Agents, and they can renounce at any point in the process. Why would they renounce before they have to?

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                              • Could Brooklyn be possibly trying to clear more cap space? If so, I could potentially see them doing something to try and unload Spencer Dinwiddie. Maybe they would include pick 27? That would be a nice value add for a team, especially the Pacers. If they need more cap room, idk.

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