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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    The reality is that this is what's true about being a NBA fan outside of LA, NY and Boston. Every fan that is not a Celtics, Lakers or Knicks fan has to deal with this. Fortunately, the Knicks are a horribly run Organization and the Lakers aren't far behind.
    That's the thing though, all these guys still want to go to these teams and so the team can easily be turned around in a single off season. We don't have that chance, or, like you said, most other teams. Lebron gets a guy in LA, instantly good again. KD (before injury) goes to NY, instantly good again. If something happened to Vic long term, and we became mediocre for a few years, it'd likely take us years to dig out of that hole.

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    • Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
      This is what sucks about being a Pacers fan. We can be a solid team for years and players still will want to go the the **** shows in ny or la.
      I mean they got swept, there are like 10 mediocre teams to choose from if a big free agent wants mediocrity.
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      • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

        I mean they got swept, there are like 10 mediocre teams to choose from if a big free agent wants mediocrity.
        Hope “big free agents” understand who Vic Oladipo is and what he means to the team, somehow you are having a hard time grasping the concept.
        Last edited by kent beckley; 06-11-2019, 02:18 PM.

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        • Originally posted by docpaul View Post
          I think we have legitimate shots at DLo and Tobias Harris. Both would be significant upgrades. Tobias could be our new Thaddeus Young.

          I also like Patrick Beverly for this team.

          I think Bogie stays.


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          Im afraid that Tobias will get a max and , although a very good player, in my opinion he doesnt move the needle enough for us to justify a max contract
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          • Originally posted by GizzyStardust View Post

            They used to be teammates in Orlando, right? Wouldn't read much into that.
            Good point!
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            • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

              Hope “big free agents” understand who Vic Oladipo is and what he means to the team, somehow you are having a healed time grasping the concept.
              Yes somebody that won't be able to play for almost a year, free agents are dying to play with injured guys
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              • Originally posted by Ryan View Post

                Kyrie didn’t choose to come here. He was traded. And now he’s leaving the first chance he gets.

                Our biggest FA signing in team history is Al Horford. Not many wanna come here either
                You think it was a bigger signing to get Horford , then Gordon Hayward , considering where he was prior to injury?
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                • Originally posted by Ryan View Post

                  Kyrie didn’t choose to come here. He was traded. And now he’s leaving the first chance he gets.

                  Our biggest FA signing in team history is Al Horford. Not many wanna come here either
                  I still think that there is a certain mystique that NBA Players share when it comes to joining a fabled NBA Franchise like Boston over one like the Pacers. You may not think it's much, but it's an edge that the Celtics enjoy over less famous Teams like the Pacers or Hawks.
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                  • Pacers named as potential suitor for D’Angelo Russell

                    In need of more offense, particularly in the form of shot-creation and pace, the Indiana Pacers are rumored to be among the teams interested in the unpredictable creativity of restricted free agent D’Angelo Russell, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic.
                    A market is forming for Nets All-Star and restricted free agent D’Angelo Russell: Utah, Orlando, Minnesota and Indiana are among the teams expected to show an interest aside from Brooklyn, sources said.
                    Russell, who averaged career highs in points (21.1), assists (7.0), and field-goal percentage (43.4%), knocked down over two threes per game and finished second in the league in assist percentage, making him a strong candidate to upgrade the team’s playmaking without necessarily taking away from Victor Oladipo.

                    “We want to get faster,” Kevin Pritchard said at the team’s end of season press conference. “I really want to do a deep dive on the guys who create and...I love a great passing team. Passing is contagious and there were times this past year where the ball really moved — we had an unselfish team — but if we can get another passer or creator out there with Victor, I think that gives us a lot of opportunities.”

                    Given that the Pacers led the league in volume of plays finished with the roll-man last season, it also doesn’t hurt that the crafty 21-year-old piloted more pick-and-rolls than any player in the league, sans Kemba Walker — especially since his robust repertoire of ball fakes and no-look passes would presumably make those same looks under the rim more open.

                    Nevertheless, concerns about sustainability and ceiling linger. He barely gets to the line, and he struggles to finish around the rim (49.4%), which oftentimes results in him aborting his drives short of the basket in favor of floaters and mid-range jumpers. When he wasn’t spotting up for three, those shots served him well enough during the regular season, but his 3-of-16 shooting performance in Game 5 against the Sixers, in which he finished minus-31 in 27 minutes with only two field-goal attempts coming inside the restricted area, urges caution when trusting in the longevity of his new normal.

                    Still, it’s easy to picture Oladipo and Turner masking his defensive flaws as he weaponizes the former’s speed on the weakside with his floor vision or relieves pressure at the nail as an off-the-catch shooter, all the while shifting Bogdanovic (should he re-sign) into a comfier, tertiary role.

                    That said, and price tag aside, the Nets organization reportedly isn’t opposed to bringing back Russell, even if they land Kyrie Irving in free agency.

                    If that is indeed the case, Indiana’s brass could end up having the team’s cap space tied up while a potentially near-max offer sheet is out without anything to show for it.

                    It’s a risky move, both in terms of what the Pacers would be gaining in Russell as well as what they would be giving up.

                    Notably, this marks a second consecutive offseason in which the Pacers have been linked to a big name restricted free agent, perhaps signaling an organizational shift with regard to pilfering players from others teams. Or, quite possibly, signifying that this is also the second consecutive offseason in which the Pacers have possessed the financial flexibility to readily be used as leverage.

                    Neither Minnesota nor Orlando (depending on what happens with Nikola Vucevic and Terrance Ross) project to have much spending power, and according to Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Jazz would only be interested if Russell becomes an unrestricted free agent, or if it’s clear the Nets wouldn’t match an offer sheet.
                    Indiana needs facilitators, and Russell can facilitate for himself as well as others. But, there’s a few hang-ups.
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                    • The latest round of NBA mock drafts have the Pacers potentially selecting from a group of eight players. Young, old (relatively speaking), guards, forwards...as far as draft prospects go, the variety includes about everything except a center prospect.

                      Among the many mock drafts I tracked down, each of the eight players showed up on at least two of the mocks with the exception of Brandon Clarke (Gonzaga). All of the players are shown being taken higher or lower on other mocks so this represents a pretty solid pool or prospects to consider for the Pacers pick.

                      Nickeil Alexander-Walker (Virginia Tech) was the most popular pick followed by Kevin Porter, Jr. and Tyler Herro. All are good sized guards, a position the Pacers need to bolster, although Porter and Herro come with some concerns. Porter has tons of skill to display but also didn’t play much at USC due to injuries and a suspension due to a “personal conduct” issue. Herro projects to be a better 3-point shooter than he showed for Kentucky but his negative wingspan measurement at the combine adds to his defensive question marks.

                      The Pacers would be lucky to have PJ Washington or Rui Hachimura fall to them in the draft, particularly if they are not able to retain the services of Thad Young. Regardless, with the draft closing on on two weeks away, the Pacers appear to have options to fill needs at different spots depending on how the draft shakes out. And that includes using that pick as part of a trade for an established player.

                      Here are the players projected for the Pacers in a variety of mock drafts: Pacers Mock Picks

                      Nickeil Alexander-Walker Virginia Tech ESPN (Jonathan Givony), SI.com (Jeremy Woo), USA Today (Jeff Zillgitt), NetScouts
                      P.J. Washington Kentucky SB Nation (Ricky O'Donnell), NBADraft.net
                      Keldon Johnson Kentucky NBC Sports (Ben Standing), Yahoo! Sports (Krysten Peek)
                      Rui Hachimura Gonzaga The Ringer, CBS Sports (Gary Parrish)
                      Kevin Porter, Jr. USC The Athletic (Sam Vecenie), Basketball Insiders (Jesse Blancarte), Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman)
                      Tyler Herro Kentucky CBS Sports (Kyle Boone), Basketball Insiders (Drew Maresca), Tankathon
                      Brandon Clarke Gonzaga The Athletic (Michael Scotto)
                      Nassir Little North Carolina Basketball Insiders (Steve Kyler), Basketball Insiders (Spencer Davies)
                      Guards like Nickeil Alexander-Walker are the type of player most mocks expect the Pacers to pick in the NBA Draft.
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                      • Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                        The latest round of NBA mock drafts have the Pacers potentially selecting from a group of eight players. Young, old (relatively speaking), guards, forwards...as far as draft prospects go, the variety includes about everything except a center prospect.

                        Among the many mock drafts I tracked down, each of the eight players showed up on at least two of the mocks with the exception of Brandon Clarke (Gonzaga). All of the players are shown being taken higher or lower on other mocks so this represents a pretty solid pool or prospects to consider for the Pacers pick.

                        Nickeil Alexander-Walker (Virginia Tech) was the most popular pick followed by Kevin Porter, Jr. and Tyler Herro. All are good sized guards, a position the Pacers need to bolster, although Porter and Herro come with some concerns. Porter has tons of skill to display but also didn’t play much at USC due to injuries and a suspension due to a “personal conduct” issue. Herro projects to be a better 3-point shooter than he showed for Kentucky but his negative wingspan measurement at the combine adds to his defensive question marks.

                        The Pacers would be lucky to have PJ Washington or Rui Hachimura fall to them in the draft, particularly if they are not able to retain the services of Thad Young. Regardless, with the draft closing on on two weeks away, the Pacers appear to have options to fill needs at different spots depending on how the draft shakes out. And that includes using that pick as part of a trade for an established player.

                        Here are the players projected for the Pacers in a variety of mock drafts: Pacers Mock Picks

                        Nickeil Alexander-Walker Virginia Tech ESPN (Jonathan Givony), SI.com (Jeremy Woo), USA Today (Jeff Zillgitt), NetScouts
                        P.J. Washington Kentucky SB Nation (Ricky O'Donnell), NBADraft.net
                        Keldon Johnson Kentucky NBC Sports (Ben Standing), Yahoo! Sports (Krysten Peek)
                        Rui Hachimura Gonzaga The Ringer, CBS Sports (Gary Parrish)
                        Kevin Porter, Jr. USC The Athletic (Sam Vecenie), Basketball Insiders (Jesse Blancarte), Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman)
                        Tyler Herro Kentucky CBS Sports (Kyle Boone), Basketball Insiders (Drew Maresca), Tankathon
                        Brandon Clarke Gonzaga The Athletic (Michael Scotto)
                        Nassir Little North Carolina Basketball Insiders (Steve Kyler), Basketball Insiders (Spencer Davies)
                        I don't know if it's a good or bad thing that none of these people appeared to have worked out with the Pacers.
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                        • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          I don't know if it's a good or bad thing that none of these people appeared to have worked out with the Pacers.
                          I pretty sure Holiday didn’t workout for us and we still drafted him. Still be nice to have some of these guys visit.

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                          • Wrong thread people, take it the 18th pick thread. Stop posting draft stuff in the free agent thread.
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                            • Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                              Pacers named as potential suitor for D’Angelo Russell
                              I'm glad to hear that the Pacers are looking into this as their free agency strategy and I don't see this as a big risk. What is the time that the Nets would have to match and who would be gone during that time? It's not like we'll be missing out a max contract UFA, we don't stand a chance to land one anyway and the next tier down usually aren't signed on day one. If the Nets match then Rubio would most likely still be there for to pursue and we can still keep Bojan's cap hold.

                              Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                              Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                              • Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

                                I'm glad to hear that the Pacers are looking into this as their free agency strategy and I don't see this as a big risk. What is the time that the Nets would have to match and who would be gone during that time? It's not like we'll be missing out a max contract UFA, we don't stand a chance to land one anyway and the next tier down usually aren't signed on day one. If the Nets match then Rubio would most likely still be there for to pursue and we can still keep Bojan's cap hold.
                                If the Pacers offer it on July 1st, the Nets have until 48 hours after the new league year starts to match. But that's not until July 8th. By then, almost everybody is usually gone.

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