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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Satoransky isn't a sexy addition HOWEVER look at that his numbers were after John Wall went down. In 54 games that he started this year he averaged 11.9 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 6.9 assists and 2 turnovers per game on 32 mins per game. He posted similar numbers in 17-18 so he's pretty consistent. He can struggle sometimes to create his own shot, however he seems to contribute across the board and if you surround him with shooters, it would help his shot just like it would. I'd be all for bringing him on at a cheaper deal than Rubio if it meant we could resign Bojan, sign Tomas and say JJ Redick?
    Pauuuuuuul George for Threeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh!

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    • Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post

      What’s wrong with Satoransky? 40% three point shooter, can pass, can defend, athletic, even the advanced stats like him if you’re into that sort of thing.
      If we wind up with no Bogey but have Satoransky and Warren in the starting lineup, we will have the worst defense in the league. It will be Murphleavy all over again. Not to mention that Satoransky, like Troy Murphy, is invisible on the court despite his analytic-friendly stats. Does anyone feel great that Troy holds the franchise record for defensive rebounding %? I sure as hell don't.

      Totally serious, I'd rather have three more years of Tyreke Evans.
      Last edited by imawhat; 06-28-2019, 07:38 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Peck View Post
        So for all of you guys who have been telling us for two years now that this was the summer they were shooting for this was the summer they were going to upgrade what now? I mean I do realize we are still days away from free agency and hey who knows maybe Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard will want to team up here with Victor. But this is not what the 3rd or 4th local press person who is putting out the word that the team is not and can not be a player in free agency. Like this should be a big surprise to people, well I guess it is to some but those of us who have actually following this team for years knew what was up.
        Anyone who expected us to make a big free agent splash is bypassing our team's history and philosophy. It is easy to get frustrated but there are 20 other teams in the league with our situation.

        I just wish Pritchard would commit to the draft strategy instead of straddling the fence of mediocrity, but I can't blame him for executing his owner's orders. If we can only get better in trades and the draft, then let's trade well and/or get higher draft picks.

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        • Originally posted by Peck View Post

          This article is maddening. Not because it is false, it's not. It's maddening because this is basically the Pacers using Doyle to get the word out that what I've been saying for two years now is the truth. I hate to play the vnzla card here but I'm going to. I've been saying this same **** since the first off season. I've said that free agency is folly and that the team needed to be doing everything and I mean everything trade these old expiring veteran players for young players or draft picks or maybe even package a couple of them together to get a youngish veteran who is stuck in a rut.

          The fact that at the trade deadline we stood pat and allowed all of our free agents to no longer become assets was despicable. We were never going to do anything in the playoffs and guess what, we didn't.

          So for all of you guys who have been telling us for two years now that this was the summer they were shooting for this was the summer they were going to upgrade what now? I mean I do realize we are still days away from free agency and hey who knows maybe Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard will want to team up here with Victor. But this is not what the 3rd or 4th local press person who is putting out the word that the team is not and can not be a player in free agency. Like this should be a big surprise to people, well I guess it is to some but those of us who have actually following this team for years knew what was up.

          If I would have told you two years ago that all of these expiring contracts were going to net you Ricky Rubio, T.J. Warren and Damarre Carroll (or someone of his ilk) how many of you would have thought that this was the right move towards that elusive upper tier status?

          Oh also while I'm in full bile mode, you all do realize that Kevin Pritchard is putting out there that the only way to improve is by hitting draft picks out of the park? Well, I hate to tell him this but you are advocating tanking whether you know it or intend it or not. Myles Turner 11th lottery pick, Paul George 10th lottery pick, Domantas Sabonis 11th lottery pick, Victor Oladipo 2nd lottery pick.

          Drafting year after year in the 17-21 range is going to net you players that you hope one day will make your rotation.

          I promised to keep my mouth shut till free agency and I know I am somewhat going back on that here but this article got my blood boiling.


          MIC DROP!!!

          My only hope that I am clinging to is that the Pacers have never had this level of cap space before to actually sign a big name free agent. But the TJ Warren deal has pretty much extinguished any sort of max level free agent like Kemba.

          I agree with everything you had said here and was one of those along with Vnzla81 clamoring to turn some of those expiring deals in to young talent at the trade deadline. That's not tanking, not even close to tanking. Thats accepting the reality of free agency and the importance of getting and playing young talent when you about to have 7 roster spots open.

          This front office is a joke to me right now, because they have wasted draft picks. Georges Niang? TJ LEAF? Ike Anibogu? Trading away the 2nd pick in the 2nd round? That's not nailing the draft!

          Pacers have no actual team building philosophy other than, get alittle better each year, win as many games as you can, and make the playoffs. The coach won't even develop the young guys. Can you imagine if the coach played the young guys last year after Victor was gone? We'd know exactly what kind of tandem Domas and Turner is, we'd know if TJ Leaf can play. We'd know if Aaron Holiday can start this year. We'd know if Sumner is the guy to back up Victor this season.


          None of it will change until ownership is changed. Maybe Steve Simon officially takes over in a couple of years from Herb and removes the handcuffs on this front office.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • Originally posted by imawhat View Post

            If we wind up with no Bogey but have Satoransky and Warren in the starting lineup, we will have the worst defense in the league. It will be Murphleavy all over again. Not to mention that Satoransky, like Troy Murphy, is invisible on the court despite his analytic-friendly stats. Does anyone feel great that Troy holds the franchise record for defensive rebounding %? I sure as hell don't.

            Totally serious, I'd rather have three more years of Tyreke Evans.
            You know some people on this board would rather have Troy over Turner because of the rebound percentage

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            • I'm probably a wishful-thinking sucker, but I'm still holding out hope for D'Angelo Russell.

              It looks like the Nets are getting Kyrie and a second star, very possibly Durant, so they may be out.

              It looks like the Lakers may have higher ambition than Russell (Kawai, Butler, etc.), so they could be out.

              The Wolves? The team trying to pawn off Andrew Wiggins (lol) to get capspace? And if the argument against Russell coming here is nobody wants to play in Indiana, then why would he be okay with icy Minnesota? Is Minneapolis some hip, happenin' town, and no one bothered telling me?

              Phoenix, okay, they've got the weather, and Russell seems close to Booker. But do they have the capspace, and if not, how realistic is it they can get it?

              Who's left?

              What about Woj's report last year that the Pacers were looking to use their $20M+ in cap space to make an offer to Aaron Gordon? Why would a team be willing to spend that type of money on Aaron Gordon, but not D'Angelo Russell? Was Woj lying? Were the Pacers lying to make it look like they were actually trying to spend? Shams Charnia, probably the second most credible NBA reporter, has linked the Pacers to Russell. Is this more smoke & mirrors from out front office?

              I'm keeping the Russell dream alive until he signs elsewhere, a credible report comes out that he plans on signing elsewhere, or a credible report that he will not sign in Indy.

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              • My God, the negativity around here lately makes me feel like I'm living with a sister who's constantly PMSing.

                I get the disappointment of last summer's underwhelming moves (or non-moves). I don't find criticism of the Goga pick to be defensible, however, as nearly all reports suggest that he was clearly the BPA and may well contribute meaningful minutes in his rookie season. We won't know whether KP "hit it out of the park" until we can see where Goga is after, say, 3 years, but come on, he's a good get. If you think our roster is lopsided or our offense is stuck in the 80s, don't blame the Goga pick; look for KP to fix things via trade ... which is better done by increasing the team's value through wise picks (Goga) and savvy small trades (Warren).

                Disappointment is one thing. Hurling endless insults at TPTB by suggesting that they're not trying to continuously improve is misguided. Let's see how things shake out in this extremely complex free-agent summer. I'm hoping for one more trade along with a free-agent signing and a retention of a current Pacer free agent. As I've argued before, 2019-2020 isn't our year to contend for a championship; it's the year to set up for contention the following year and beyond.


                "Sumner reminds me of a young Paul George."

                - Clyde Drexler.

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                • Originally posted by imawhat View Post

                  If we wind up with no Bogey but have Satoransky and Warren in the starting lineup, we will have the worst defense in the league. It will be Murphleavy all over again. Not to mention that Satoransky, like Troy Murphy, is invisible on the court despite his analytic-friendly stats. Does anyone feel great that Troy holds the franchise record for defensive rebounding %? I sure as hell don't.

                  Totally serious, I'd rather have three more years of Tyreke Evans.
                  Agree Warren would be a defensive downgrade for sure, but would Satoransky really be worse defensively than Collison? I gotta think if anything it makes us more versatile on that front with his size and length.

                  I would want to Americanize his point guard play a bit (taking more initiative and throwing up a few more shots, especially with his percentages), but other than that I like what I’ve seen from him.

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                  • what were all these great trades the Pacers refused to make at the deadline? Unless we were trading Holiday, Sabonis or Turner, I don't think we were offered much for the others.

                    I don't know of anyone who suggested the pacers would clean up in free agency. Look over 40% of the players are free agents this summer - almost half the NBA teams have a ton of cap space. So it was never going to be a sure thing.

                    It could be worse we could be the Knicks.

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                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      what were all these great trades the Pacers refused to make at the deadline? Unless we were trading Holiday, Sabonis or Turner, I don't think we were offered much for the others.

                      I don't know of anyone who suggested the pacers would clean up in free agency. Look over 40% of the players are free agents this summer - almost half the NBA teams have a ton of cap space. So it was never going to be a sure thing.

                      It could be worse we could be the Knicks.
                      Thad Young probably could have gotten a first, or at least several seconds or an intriguing young player. One of Collison or Joseph could have at least gotten something. The Pacers weren't interested in trading though since they still wanted to compete last year. Here is a quote from Pritchard's media session after the trade deadline:


                      “I think there were more inbound calls to us than outbound calls. I think other executives thought that there was a chance we would kind of blow it up. At the end of the day, we want to compete. We are in 3rd place in the East. It would have been hard for me to walk in to that locker room and say, ‘Guys we are going to look to the future.’ That’s not fair to these guys. From what they’ve put out this year and how proud we are of them…Since Victor’s injury we have lost a few, but we have also come back and won a few. It kind of tells me that this team wants to be together.”
                      https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/kev...dipo%E2%80%99s

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                      • Thad Young probably could have gotten a first, or at least several seconds or an intriguing young player. One of Collison or Joseph could have at least gotten something. The Pacers weren't interested in trading though since they still wanted to compete last year. Here is a quote from Pritchard's media session after the trade deadline:



                        https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/kev...dipo%E2%80%99s
                        They could have got at least a bunch of second round picks and a young player or two, something to package for somebody but Pacers do what they do so they let all those guys go for nothing.
                        Last edited by vnzla81; 06-28-2019, 11:21 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                          I'm probably a wishful-thinking sucker, but I'm still holding out hope for D'Angelo Russell.

                          It looks like the Nets are getting Kyrie and a second star, very possibly Durant, so they may be out.

                          It looks like the Lakers may have higher ambition than Russell (Kawai, Butler, etc.), so they could be out.

                          The Wolves? The team trying to pawn off Andrew Wiggins (lol) to get capspace? And if the argument against Russell coming here is nobody wants to play in Indiana, then why would he be okay with icy Minnesota? Is Minneapolis some hip, happenin' town, and no one bothered telling me?

                          Phoenix, okay, they've got the weather, and Russell seems close to Booker. But do they have the capspace, and if not, how realistic is it they can get it?

                          Who's left?

                          What about Woj's report last year that the Pacers were looking to use their $20M+ in cap space to make an offer to Aaron Gordon? Why would a team be willing to spend that type of money on Aaron Gordon, but not D'Angelo Russell? Was Woj lying? Were the Pacers lying to make it look like they were actually trying to spend? Shams Charnia, probably the second most credible NBA reporter, has linked the Pacers to Russell. Is this more smoke & mirrors from out front office?

                          I'm keeping the Russell dream alive until he signs elsewhere, a credible report comes out that he plans on signing elsewhere, or a credible report that he will not sign in Indy.
                          I'm with you, I haven't given up hope for Russell. If we fail I'd like to know specifically that we made an offer but in the end I'd be fine with Rubio. I hope our 58 mil in cap space that we started with at least gets us that much.
                          Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                          Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                          • Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            what were all these great trades the Pacers refused to make at the deadline? Unless we were trading Holiday, Sabonis or Turner, I don't think we were offered much for the others.

                            I don't know of anyone who suggested the pacers would clean up in free agency. Look over 40% of the players are free agents this summer - almost half the NBA teams have a ton of cap space. So it was never going to be a sure thing.

                            It could be worse we could be the Knicks.
                            We should put this on billboards all around 465 and on each corner of the fieldhouse because as of right now that is about the only thing they can actually say with a straight face. That is where we are at as a franchise at the moment, at least were not the worst run franchise in the NBA.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • Bogey could have easily got us a 1st round pick but I’m sure the plan all along was to re-sign him with Bird Rights. Personally I would have dealt him and if he really wanted to comeback this summer, sign him with some cap space (or not). Bogey’s not a game changer, he’s a good role player that blew up in a fluke contract year. He’s not a guy you have to sign at all cost.

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                              • Originally posted by Peck View Post

                                We should put this on billboards all around 465 and on each corner of the fieldhouse because as of right now that is about the only thing they can actually say with a straight face. That is where we are at as a franchise at the moment, at least were not the worst run franchise in the NBA.
                                I'm not sure anybody would take this Pacers roster over NY's, RJ has the potential to be an star and Knox is a very good piece to have, not only that but they have close to 70mil in cap space.
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