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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #76
    Originally posted by Peck View Post

    I'm not commenting about your first sentence. However the highlighted part above I do want to comment on.

    You and I and believe it or not even vnzla81 are in actual agreement over the majority of your point. Where I would disagree and I feel confident that vnzla81 would disagree as well is that to me Myles is not untouchable. If I'm being honest Victor is not untouchable either for the right player. But you are correct all of the players we are talking about at the end of the day are Josh McRoberts irrelevant. (old joke for those of you who were around for the JOB days).
    Yes, we agree to a point. It's just that i don't believe we need to start from scratch. My belief is that if you pair Dipo with another elite scoring guard (via trade) and Myles (a dominant defensive anchor/stretch big who is still maturing) and fill in with the right mix of role players, we're on our way to contention. You may even attract decent free agents at that point (don't hold your breath though). To me, you trade those guys and you're on the same treadmill. You won't get more value for them (and maybe even less), and we'll be in the same place we are now.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

      How do you prove that someone made something. Up?
      Very easy it’s called “search button” has been there forever and anybody can use it.

      You are welcome.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

        I'm not going to post a list of players I wanted (we wanted) to keep making the case that I was (we were) 100% right about, it's obvious that those that were wrong moved the goal post so we once again need to explain our point of view for the million time.

        It's also obvious you didn't do any research on the people that actually said he was the best signing since David West but you just decided to imply that I made something up without proof

        It's always funny how people keep saying that I make things up when its so easy to use PD's archives to disprove it as they are also witnesses at PD parties and things like that
        If you do a search for “Tyreke David West” you get five results, and the only one even close is BnG saying a healthy Tyreke is on the same level as various free agents, and he includes George Hill who obviously came after West. The others aren’t at all related to the claim you make.

        Not to mention I reread the Tyreke thread for fun when the suspension story broke and I don’t remember anything being said there either of that nature.

        The point about other players is that signing no one is not an option (floor penalty), so putting no alternatives forward and then ****ting on the signings that are made is a pathetic cop-out.

        Especially since you know just as well as I do that you can’t make a compelling argument for any of the likely alternatives.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by pogi View Post

          Culture? What's our culture? Don't give me that we have a "winning" culture, because that isn't true. We have no NBA banners. The reason players choose Lakers and Celtics more than other squads is because those teams pretty much have won a championship in almost every decade. We have no NBA championships, at all.
          And we are very unlikely to win any titles with the current agreement. How many big free agents have the Pacers EVER signed? Zero. ( I do not consider a broken and aging West a big free agent) Because they would rather play in the big name cities. You do not see that in the NFL. Culture means a stable management and ownership that is not looney toons. That takes care of their players usually(Exception being Granger or maybe Roy).
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          • #80
            Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
            Looney is garbage
            Could you elaborate a little. Is he a heaping stinking pile or just non recyclable?
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            • #81
              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

              It's also obvious you didn't do any research on the people that actually said he was the best signing since David West but you just decided to imply that I made something up without proof

              It's always funny how people keep saying that I make things up when its so easy to use PD's archives to disprove it as they are also witnesses at PD parties and things like that
              So you remember "people" meaning several, who said "Evans was the best signing since David West"?

              My memory is not the greatest but I do not remember anyone using that terminology. If they did that speaks to how poor the Pacers record is in attracting quality free agents. What a low bar.

              And since you made the claim the onus is on you to provide the proof
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              • #82
                Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post

                If you do a search for “Tyreke David West” you get five results, and the only one even close is BnG saying a healthy Tyreke is on the same level as various free agents, and he includes George Hill who obviously came after West. The others aren’t at all related to the claim you make.

                Not to mention I reread the Tyreke thread for fun when the suspension story broke and I don’t remember anything being said there either of that nature.

                The point about other players is that signing no one is not an option (floor penalty), so putting no alternatives forward and then *****ting on the signings that are made is a pathetic cop-out.

                Especially since you know just as well as I do that you can’t make a compelling argument for any of the likely alternatives.
                So your claim was obviously bs as you had to do some research
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by owl View Post

                  So you remember "people" meaning several, who said "Evans was the best signing since David West"?

                  My memory is not the greatest but I do not remember anyone using that terminology. If they did that speaks to how poor the Pacers record is in attracting quality free agents. What a low bar.

                  And since you made the claim the onus is on you to provide the proof
                  Yep some people did, they even said he was going to be much better than Monta lol

                  I mean I guess if you look at the Pacers record in getting free agents and somebody tells you “hey we got a 19ppg guy” and you compare him to every free agent they got his numbers are going to be up there but of course some of us knew those were empty stats.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                    Not sure that's 'culture'. Sounds more like tradition or 'storied history'. Lakers have been bad for a while now and the Celtics don't seem to like each other. Not sure they're really attractive destinations at this point.
                    But to me - JUST making the playoffs every year, but no championship doesn’t equal “winning culture”

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by owl View Post

                      And we are very unlikely to win any titles with the current agreement. How many big free agents have the Pacers EVER signed? Zero. ( I do not consider a broken and aging West a big free agent) Because they would rather play in the big name cities. You do not see that in the NFL. Culture means a stable management and ownership that is not looney toons. That takes care of their players usually(Exception being Granger or maybe Roy).
                      IMO, a “winning culture” means having a system that works great, continual wins a majority of the time, and a championship for validation

                      Otherwise, it’s not a winning culture. That’s my opinion

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by owl View Post

                        So you remember "people" meaning several, who said "Evans was the best signing since David West"?

                        My memory is not the greatest but I do not remember anyone using that terminology. If they did that speaks to how poor the Pacers record is in attracting quality free agents. What a low bar.

                        And since you made the claim the onus is on you to provide the proof
                        Have fun reading that this thread, it was even worse than I thought “greatest free agent signing in Pacers history”

                        https://www.pacersdigest.com/forum/t...o-pacers/page8

                        There are also some funny posts from the same people that a year later are still pretending they were not 100% wrong about the off season.

                        edit: so yeah my memory is the s*** I can remember a lot of stuff
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                          Have fun reading that this thread, it was even worse than I thought “greatest free agent signing in Pacers history”
                          I was looking for someone who said "Evans was the best singing since David West". Those were your words. I did not find that stated by anyone in that entire thread you asked me to read.
                          Now you are saying people thought he was the greatest free agent signing in Pacers history.
                          Most were ok with it since it was one year. My concern with him was his history with things other than being a player and unfortunately that reared its ugly head again.
                          So my memory is pretty good too. You were very concerned about his knees and you had that right but somehow he was playing full strength in the playoffs when it mattered.
                          After the fact and knowing he has been banned for what I was concerned about I would much rather have had Lance. And I am not a Lance fan in general

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                            So your claim was obviously bs as you had to do some research
                            I’ll admit I was dumb enough to momentarily consider that you were telling the truth, so I devoted a minute and a half to a search. My bad.

                            And PS the link in the post above also says nothing of the sort.

                            I would say your time would be better spent telling us about those great free agents we missed out on but I’m sure you’ll dodge that question again anyways.

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                            • #89
                              After 23 pages I found one person who you could insinuate indirectly said what you claimed. But that was with a qualification of "If healthy"



                              Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                              If healthy, one of the best Pacers signings in history. Crazy, I know. We're getting a player for a year in his prime. Hell, we should start him next to Oladipo. Scary backcourt there.

                              I had two comments in the entire thread. I said so "Evans and McDermott take up the entire 20 million?"
                              And one other comment I said " That the signing was an overall net positive minus Lance"
                              That second comment looking back was definitely wrong. And I am more upset with McDermott almost than Evans since I felt pretty strongly Evans was one and done. We are stuck with two more years of Doug.
                              My first comment indicates my disappointment at what we used the 20 million for. I was hoping for Randle. And I also wanted Montrezl
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by owl View Post
                                After 23 pages I found one person who you could insinuate indirectly said what you claimed. But that was with a qualification of "If healthy"



                                Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                                If healthy, one of the best Pacers signings in history. Crazy, I know. We're getting a player for a year in his prime. Hell, we should start him next to Oladipo. Scary backcourt there.

                                I had two comments in the entire thread. I said so "Evans and McDermott take up the entire 20 million?"
                                And one other comment I said " That the signing was an overall net positive minus Lance"
                                That second comment looking back was definitely wrong. And I am more upset with McDermott almost than Evans since I felt pretty strongly Evans was one and done. We are stuck with two more years of Doug.
                                My first comment indicates my disappointment at what we used the 20 million for. I was hoping for Randle. And I also wanted Montrezl
                                Of course the prediction was "if healthy" and yes I have been paying attention to Harrell since Houston I loved watching him there together with Deker and their other young guys, still think Houston was stupid for giving them all up for old a** CP3.
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