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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #61
    Just replied to this post from Game #12 of the regular season back in November. Yes, it was apparent he was on something all season.

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    Tyreke plays like someone who is high sometimes and not other times. Not accusing him of actually doing that. It's just what I see.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

      Unforeseen? It was obvious he was on something most of the season.
      No it wasn’t. Everyone who has reported called it shocking. But besides that, the Pacers would be in serious trouble if they knowingly allowed a drug abuser to suit up.

      But hey, it’s obvious to you whose closest contact to Evans is talking about him on a message board, good work!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        Just replied to this post from Game #12 of the regular season back in November. Yes, it was apparent he was on something all season.
        You literally said in your post you weren’t accusing him of that so it literally was not obvious to you.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

          Unforeseen? It was obvious he was on something most of the season.
          You know what he meant. He’s talking prior signing him.

          I did find this though so maybe there was info out there the general public didn’t know about...

          https://i.imgur.com/mdJyPyk.png

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          • #65
            Humility people, just admit you were 100% wrong about this signing and that your blue and gold glasses caused blindness or something

            This kind of things are important to point out so this high horse riding people eat some humble pie
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              Whelp that officially ends the Tyreke Evans tenure with the team. All bets are now open on who will be the next in the Stuckey/Ellis/Evans wheel of has been/never were guards that we will throw money at and pretend that they are going to be something. My money is on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.
              Jeremy Lin has Pacers written all over him.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                Humility people, just admit you were 100% wrong about this signing and that your blue and gold glasses caused blindness or something

                This kind of things are important to point out so this high horse riding people eat some humble pie
                Before this news the signing of Evans was a failure admitted and known by all. I have no problem saying that.

                The issue is your lack of humility, using horrible news of someone’s serious illness, addiction, being banished for drug abuse as an opportunity to prove a point. There was no way to know this, and even there was the health of Evans and his family is what’s important.

                Kudos to the Pacers for sticking with Evans and committing to help him in their statement.

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                • #68
                  Pritchard should be fired for bringing this poison into the lockeroom. KP could really use a lesson, from Chris Ballard, on how to build a team
                  Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post

                    Before this news the signing of Evans was a failure admitted and known by all. I have no problem saying that.

                    The issue is your lack of humility, using horrible news of someone’s serious illness, addiction, being banished for drug abuse as an opportunity to prove a point. There was no way to know this, and even there was the health of Evans and his family is what’s important.

                    Kudos to the Pacers for sticking with Evans and committing to help him in their statement.
                    Yes there was and once again I'm not saying s*** about his drug issues, stop twisting my words trying to make an argument I'm not trying to make.


                    Some of you are also ignoring the NBA drug testing players, if Tyreke was playing high every single game (the argument some are trying to make) first Nate would have never allowed it and second the NBA would have caught it long time ago banning the guy in the middle of the season or something.

                    This banning was probably him testing positive in one of the tests they do during the playoffs.


                    See Monta Ellis failing 3 drug tests and getting 6 games because of it (and people made fun of that issue).
                    Last edited by vnzla81; 05-18-2019, 11:55 AM.
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                    • #70
                      I'd say giving up Lance and failing with Reddick and Gordon meant KP was about to get really embarrassed with McDermott as his only acquisition for the summer. All that pressure may have led him to take risks on a guy in several questionable areas: performance, injuries, lifestyle.
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                        I'd say giving up Lance and failing with Reddick and Gordon meant KP was about to get really embarrassed with McDermott as his only acquisition for the summer. All that pressure may have led him to take risks on a guy in several questionable areas: performance, injuries, lifestyle.
                        This is 100% accurate.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                          I'd say giving up Lance and failing with Reddick and Gordon meant KP was about to get really embarrassed with McDermott as his only acquisition for the summer. All that pressure may have led him to take risks on a guy in several questionable areas: performance, injuries, lifestyle.
                          On top of that it was a one year rental most likely to reduce that risk.

                          I actually think he knew maybe not specifically but enough to pause for sure. It’s a very small league and only a fool thinks he didn’t have an idea before acquiring him. If he didn’t know that’s not any better. That shows he didn’t do his research.

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                          • #73
                            From the NBA website about how their drug testing program works, so there is no way Tyreke was playing high all the time or any of the insinuations made by some.


                            E. Testing (1) Laboratories and Testing. All drug tests will be analyzed by certified laboratories selected by the NBA and NBPA and approved by the Medical Director. A player will test “positive” for a Prohibited Substance at the concentration levels set forth in the 2011 CBA, if the player fails or refuses to submit to a drug test, or if the player attempts to substitute, dilute or adulterate his urine sample. A player notified of a positive result has five business days to request a re-test from the NBA and NBPA. The re-test will be performed at a laboratory different from the laboratory used for the first test.



                            (2) Random Testing.All players are subject to four random tests each season (from October 1 to June 30). All players are also subject to two random tests each off-season (from July 1 to September 30). All such tests are scheduled and conducted by an independent, third-party entity and are without prior notice to the player. The NBA and the NBPA are not involved in the scheduling of any tests or the selection of players for testing.




                            (3) Reasonable Cause Testing.If the NBA or NBPA receives information that provides reasonable cause of a player’s use, possession or distribution of a Prohibited Substance, the NBA or NBPA may request a hearing with the other party and the Independent Expert within 24 hours of the receipt of that information. At that hearing, the Independent Expert will decide whether reasonable cause exists, and if it does exist, will issue an authorization for testing. After an authorization for testing is issued, the NBA will arrange for testing of the player four times during the next six weeks. (4) Adjudication without Testing. If the NBA or NBPA believe that there is sufficient evidence of a player’s use, possession or distribution of a Prohibited Substance, or of his treatment outside the Program for the use of a Prohibited Substance, the matter may be taken directly to the Grievance Arbitrator. If the Grievance Arbitrator determines that the player has used or possessed a Drug of Abuse, or has distributed any Prohibited Substance, he will be dismissed and disqualified from the NBA

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                            • #74
                              At the end of the day, KP needs to deliver. This is what he delivered for 25% of the salary cap last year:

                              1) A crack head one-year rental. OK, maybe it was coke or heroin or meth. Good news he's gone.
                              2) A backup wing whose only redeeming quality is shooting and who shot 0% from 3 in the playoffs and scored 2ppg on 20% shooting.
                              3) A third string center who rode the bench all year and scored zero points in the playoffs.

                              That's bad any way you slice it.

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                              • #75
                                it seems the trolls are out in full force, we're not posting for a reasonable discussion in this thread, B&G MckeyFan, Vnzla it's on you i'm closing this thread.

                                Personally to me you are the perfect trolls, each and everyone, you are not partaking in a discussion, you are fanning fires in whichever leading way you can get it done without stepping over the lines that are clear to you.

                                Improve on that and pretty sharpish, enough is enough.
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