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  • Originally posted by owl View Post

    And that is the key for Bojan. What is too much? 20 million and I am not sure I want to pay him that much.
    The max we can give Bojan while taking advantage of early bird rights I believe is about $18 million. That to me sounds like a pretty good limit.

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    • Originally posted by festar35 View Post

      I would love Sabonis to sign a deal similar to Turner's one & play off the bench for us long-term. 10mins a game is all that is required for Myles to get 30mpg & Sabonis 28mpg.

      Thad Young is still one of the best possible fits if this is what we decide to do, but none of this helps us get a 2nd scorer to go with Oladipo. Turner or Sabonis is probably the trade chip that gets us that guy if we swing & miss in free agency.

      Kemba Walker, Jimmy Butler & D'Angelo Russell are the 3 guys I'm targeting for that offensive boost in free agency. We miss here then a trade is needed to find that scorer, we do not have that scorer on our roster.

      I agree with the contract and the Pacers should offer that extension as soon as they're allowed. I don't think 28 mpg is enough though and I doubt if Sabonis would want to stay if you thought his ceiling with the Pacers was to remain in a limited role.
      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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      • Originally posted by Pacerized View Post


        I agree with the contract and the Pacers should offer that extension as soon as they're allowed. I don't think 28 mpg is enough though and I doubt if Sabonis would want to stay if you thought his ceiling with the Pacers was to remain in a limited role.
        Too many games his minutes are limited due to foul trouble. His ability to improve on that this year will determine the kind of role he'll have in the future.

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        • Today I am on the Danny Green bandwagon.

          I think Myles can play as a stretch 4. It seems like a lot of his blocks come from either helping a teammate or after he is beaten, he recovers and makes the block. As a stretch 4 , he would be able to continue to get blocks by helping a teammate. Play Sabonis at Center.

          Then we should go out and sign Danny Green as our SF. He is 6'6", I think he has a 6'10" wingspan and 215 pounds. He is a proven 3 and D wing and has done a decent job blocking shots as a wing. He will be 32 years old when the season starts, so we would need to draft a SF and start preparing him to replace Green in 2-3 years.

          Sign Kemba.

          We would start Kemba/Vic/Green/Sabonis/Turner.

          That's my suggestion for today...it's subject to change as I hear more rumors.

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          • Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post

            Too many games his minutes are limited due to foul trouble. His ability to improve on that this year will determine the kind of role he'll have in the future.
            Some, but we're not talking about averaging 40 minutes just 30 which would mean some games you play him 35. The vast majority of the games Nate just limited his minutes no matter how well he was playing when he wasn't in foul trouble. There were games where fouls limited Sabonis's playing time but the reason he didn't average 30+ was Nate.
            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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            • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

              The max we can give Bojan while taking advantage of early bird rights I believe is about $18 million. That to me sounds like a pretty good limit.
              18 sounds like too much to me. Bojan scores efficiently but that’s all he does. He’s basically a more agressive McDermott. I love what Bogey’s done here, and he deserves a raise, but I would prefer to just move on and get a more well rounded player if possible.

              I’m thinking 15 tops for Bogey. I wouldn’t go any higher that.

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              • I think if there's any way to make Leaf actually useful on defense to where you don't have to hide him, and I know he'll never, ever be near as good as him lol, but he just needs to do his best imitation of Turner.

                he's never gonna be fast enough to be a good switch defender so just guard the cup, that kid is still a deer in headlights. ingrain those traits early, especially as he, hopefully, gets bigger and you might have a player. I don't think one you give an extension to, but think that's the best path for him to prove me wrong.

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                • I love me some Bogey, LOVE the dude, but I agree we should probably love on. there's no reason to sign him into his 30s for us.

                  OKC might win a damn title with him though

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                  • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                    18 sounds like too much to me. Bojan scores efficiently but that’s all he does. He’s basically a more agressive McDermott. I love what Bogey’s done here, and he deserves a raise, but I would prefer to just move on and get a more well rounded player if possible.

                    I’m thinking 15 tops for Bogey. I wouldn’t go any higher that.
                    Bogey’s never gonna make all-defensive but his awareness is much better on that end than McDermott, I would argue. He can even play some decent on-ball defense, apart from just knowing where to stand.

                    I think $18m is fair, and given the market for SFs a little more might be even fairer, but I’m hoping Bogey will meet us halfway and help us out in order to navigate the cap.

                    I think resigning him would be a win-win.

                    As for his age he’s only just turned 30 and I think his game will age well. Not to mention you have to remember he’s only played NBA ball since he was like 25, so he’s got a little less wear and tear than an American player of the same age. Not to mention he’s pretty hardy injury-wise.
                    Last edited by SaintLouisan; 05-21-2019, 05:00 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by sav View Post
                      Today I am on the Danny Green bandwagon.

                      I think Myles can play as a stretch 4. It seems like a lot of his blocks come from either helping a teammate or after he is beaten, he recovers and makes the block. As a stretch 4 , he would be able to continue to get blocks by helping a teammate. Play Sabonis at Center.

                      Then we should go out and sign Danny Green as our SF. He is 6'6", I think he has a 6'10" wingspan and 215 pounds. He is a proven 3 and D wing and has done a decent job blocking shots as a wing. He will be 32 years old when the season starts, so we would need to draft a SF and start preparing him to replace Green in 2-3 years.

                      Sign Kemba.

                      We would start Kemba/Vic/Green/Sabonis/Turner.

                      That's my suggestion for today...it's subject to change as I hear more rumors.
                      No Danny Green love here. Sorry! Maybe 4 years ago. Like that you're just wheeling out ideas though! Other than like one or two very concentrated playoff hot streaks with the Spurs, he doesn't strike me (now especially) as anybody who's going to get you much. I also weigh into this reaction that fact that I am far from convinced Domas and Myles can play big minutes together.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post

                        Bogey’s never gonna make all-defensive but his awareness is much better on that end than McDermott, I would argue. He can even play some decent on-ball defense, apart from just knowing where to stand.

                        I think $18m is fair, and given the market for SFs a little more might be even fairer, but I’m hoping Bogey will meet us halfway and help us out in order to navigate the cap.

                        I think resigning him would be a win-win.

                        As for his age he’s only just turned 30 and I think his game will age well. Not to mention you have to remember he’s only played NBA ball since he was like 25, so he’s got a little less wear and tear than an American player of the same age. Not to mention he’s pretty hardy injury-wise.
                        Bogey had the same reputation as Doug when he got here, he was known to be a sieve defensively. Now he probably has improved some since then, but I think playing most of his minutes the last couple years with Myles, and to a lesser extent Thad, has been able to hide his weakness in that area making him look a little better than he actually is. He seemed to get exposed during the latter half of the year and into the playoffs, constantly getting blown by on close outs and his lack of defensive rebounding really hurts this team IMO. We really need strong rebounding at at least one of those 3 front court spots, and I’m afraid a Bogey/Sabonis forward tandem just isn’t going to have enough defense/athleticism to compete with these all world forwards. And the current tandem of Bogey/Thad just isn’t cutting it rebounding so there’s an issue there either way.

                        The dude is an iron man though, and I respect the hell out him. He took some shots to the head this year that would have killed a lesser man. I’m ok with re-signing him for a couple years if we can’t find a replacement, but paying him a couple mil less than what a young Aaron Gordon got last year seems too high to me.

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                        • https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-star.amp.html

                          We got some rumors. Over 30 mil is a lot to pay but Tobias would be a great fit here. Be nice to stick to the Sixers too after the haul they gave up to get him to Philly. If he’s looking for team chemistry this is the right spot.

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                          • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                            https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-star.amp.html

                            We got some rumors. Over 30 mil is a lot to pay but Tobias would be a great fit here. Be nice to stick to the Sixers too after the haul they gave up to get him to Philly. If he’s looking for team chemistry this is the right spot.
                            $30 + per year for Tobias sounds like cap suicide. He's not that much better than Bojan, who may be overpriced at around $18. All other things equal, I don't think Tobias outpaces Bojan at their respective price points. Length of contract might be interesting context to have. Maybe there will be other SF options in the mix. I kind of hope so at these prices, although Danny Green didn't excite me. Maybe getting him and Kemba is sounding a lot better now. Who's Tobias running with on the frontline? Domas and Myles? Marginally better than Bojan (at best) if so.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                            • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                              https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-star.amp.html

                              We got some rumors. Over 30 mil is a lot to pay but Tobias would be a great fit here. Be nice to stick to the Sixers too after the haul they gave up to get him to Philly. If he’s looking for team chemistry this is the right spot.
                              I read the article earlier and think he would fit well with the team. But WOW, 30 million a year? I don't think he will bring that much to the team.

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                              • Originally posted by rimrattler View Post
                                I read the article earlier and think he would fit well with the team. But WOW, 30 million a year? I don't think he will bring that much to the team.
                                For me KD, Kawhi & Kyrie are guys I would pay that without thinking twice.
                                Kemba, Jimmy & Klay are guys I would think about quite hard, could deal with giving up that kind of money. (Porzingis would be here as well, but he a RFA & he will be going to Dallas)
                                Tobias to me is in the next tier of players that I see as $24-$28mil annually & the only other guy I would lump in with him is Khris Middleton. D'Angelo Russell to me is worth maybe $24mil at his highest price point as well.

                                (FYI - I am not one of those guys who say we need to spend everything & go into luxury to win, I am all for doing it smartly)

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