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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #76
    Originally posted by owl View Post

    KP said the Pacers have 45? million if they renounce every one. So just ONE of those big two i.e. Butler or Walker are going to want the max of 32 million. That leaves 13 million for 3-4 other players
    That is not going to happen. So I doubt the Pacers even sign even one player of that level. We will see young players like Payton or Ross or someone else of that type.
    Resign Bogie and Thad and a draft pick. Domas will be traded at the deadline
    Yep I’m looking at their budget and they are going to be working with like 20mil or so to fill a bunch of positions, they are going to look for another Tyreke and that’s it.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by owl View Post

      KP said the Pacers have 45? million if they renounce every one. So just ONE of those big two i.e. Butler or Walker are going to want the max of 32 million. That leaves 13 million for 3-4 other players
      That is not going to happen. So I doubt the Pacers even sign even one player of that level. We will see young players like Payton or Ross or someone else of that type.
      Resign Bogie and Thad and a draft pick. Domas will be traded at the deadline
      Maybe we will make an uneven trade. Who needs to cut salary that has a star caliber player that they would be willing to move?

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      • #78
        Originally posted by owl View Post

        KP said the Pacers have 45? million if they renounce every one. So just ONE of those big two i.e. Butler or Walker are going to want the max of 32 million. That leaves 13 million for 3-4 other players
        That is not going to happen. So I doubt the Pacers even sign even one player of that level. We will see young players like Payton or Ross or someone else of that type.
        Resign Bogie and Thad and a draft pick. Domas will be traded at the deadline
        The would add the difference between John Collins contract and Turner's to the cap total of this was a legal trade but it is not so it’s a moot point. It’s also a moot point because the Hawks would never do that trade.

        Here’s my ideal scenario and how it could be done:

        Trade McDermott during the draft along with a couple of 2nd round picks to free up another 7.5 million in cap space. The best time to do this would be during the draft.

        Now with the potential of 52 million in cap space, they could sign 2 max level players but these would have to be players coming off their 2nd contract. That leads us to Tobias Harris. I think his Max will be something like 22 million.

        Now we have 30 million left to go shopping with. I’d love to get Kemba but he’s gonna be too pricey and if NY misses on Kyrie, they’ll probably offer him the max. Instead, I would make a trade with the Wizards for Bradley Beal. Turner plus whoever they draft at #18 plus another first rounder. Washington is a repeat Luxury Tax team and needs to rebuild. This would save them $9 million dollars and they would get younger. The Pacers only have to use 9 million in cap space to complete the trade.

        At this point I’d have $21 million of cap space left. There are some interesting players available but now I have to ask, would be better than just re-signing Bojan? There’s Julius Randle, Mirotic, Valancuinus, and restricted free agents like Malcom Brogdon, and Deangelo Russell. Then there’s Terrence Ross and Jeremy Lamb. None of those players have a lot of playoffs experience except Valancuinus. Since he and Domas played together on the Lithuanian national team last summer, I think that would be an interesting combo. Imagine all the rebounds the two of them will eat! I doubt he opts out though so I think Bojan is the best option left. I think a contract starting at 16 million would be the going rate.

        So far I have 5 million left to spend and I have my eye on Seth Curry. Here’s my team in this scenario:

        PG - VO, Holiday, Sumner
        SG - Beal, Curry
        SF - Bogey, Alize
        PF - Harris, Leaf
        C - Sabonis

        The team is extremely thin and I’m moving Vic to PG but there will be several vets and young players available for minimum deals. The team now has 3 All-Stars in the starting lineup something the Pacers haven’t had since Reggie, Artest, and JO.
        Last edited by naptownmenace; 05-02-2019, 07:42 AM.

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        • #79
          “That leads us to Tobias Harris. I think his Max will be something like 22 million.”

          Aaron Gordon got $21m a year, I think Harris is going to end up with far more than that. It will likely be an overpay by someone who misses out on a big dog. I hope it’s not us cuz I think he’ll get close to $30m. No lower than $25m-$27 I would think.

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          • #80
            sailing the Mediterranean with my girlfriend, spending my days on beaches drinking wine and reading
            Last edited by Ratking; 05-02-2019, 01:49 AM.
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            • #81
              we're gonna sign Rodney Hood for 70 million dollars to be Vic's #2 scorer through his prime and I can't wait to talk myself into it.

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              • #82
                McBuckets is dead weight, buy him out at whatever discount you can get. I understood the signing, didn't work, happens. no reason for him to ever play over Alize or Leaf

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  McBuckets is dead weight, buy him out at whatever discount you can get. I understood the signing, didn't work, happens. no reason for him to ever play over Alize or Leaf
                  I would send him down the road with a second round pick. He is in the way of other players. But he will be here another year at least. Ugh.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                    we're gonna sign Rodney Hood for 70 million dollars to be Vic's #2 scorer through his prime and I can't wait to talk myself into it.
                    This is one of the funnier things said on here lately and so true and sad at the same time.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by owl View Post

                      I would send him down the road with a second round pick. He is in the way of other players. But he will be here another year at least. Ugh.
                      He will not only be here, but he will also likely start if Bogey isn't retained.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post
                        “That leads us to Tobias Harris. I think his Max will be something like 22 million.”

                        Aaron Gordon got $21m a year, I think Harris is going to end up with far more than that. It will likely be an overpay by someone who misses out on a big dog. I hope it’s not us cuz I think he’ll get close to $30m. No lower than $25m-$27 I would think.
                        Based on an article I read on the Sixers site, his cap hold is 22 million. I think the Sixers will make re-signing Butler a priority and his Max is 30 million. That gives the Pacers a great shot at getting him.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post

                          Based on an article I read on the Sixers site, his cap hold is 22 million. I think the Sixers will make re-signing Butler a priority and his Max is 30 million. That gives the Pacers a great shot at getting him.
                          His cap hold is around 22 million, but that's different than the max a team can pay a player. If the cap is 109 million as projected, both Butler and Harris will have the same max salary available to them if a team offers it, 32.7 million in the first year.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post
                            “That leads us to Tobias Harris. I think his Max will be something like 22 million.”

                            Aaron Gordon got $21m a year, I think Harris is going to end up with far more than that. It will likely be an overpay by someone who misses out on a big dog. I hope it’s not us cuz I think he’ll get close to $30m. No lower than $25m-$27 I would think.
                            his max will be just over 30M. 5 yrs/$188M for Philly, about $33M. Or 4yr/145M for everyone else. Harris is a 7 yr guy, so he is eligible for a 30% max contract. Salary cap is going to be 109M or so, so 39% of 109 is ~$33M.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by imawhat View Post

                              He will not only be here, but he will also likely start if Bogey isn't retained.
                              Like I said....ugghhhh
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                              • #90
                                Now that I have seen the season ending press conference, here is my ideal summer as far as the Pacers are concerned. I can't argue with PacerDude's ideal summer.

                                I would love to see us somehow get Bradley Beal and Taurean Prince to pair with Vic, Domas and Myles but I don't see that happening so here is my next choice.
                                Obviously Vic be absolutely, positively 100% at the start of training camp.
                                All of our players get stronger and better. More specifically: Myles, Leaf and Sumner get stronger. Myles improve his post game. Domas improve his mid range and 3 point shooting, also improve his lateral quickness or anticipation so he can do a better job of guarding 4's.
                                Pritchard said he was going for top Free Agents. That may be true but as soon as he calls them, they will say "no thanks" to coming here. I think the best player we have a shot at is Kemba so I say we sign him. He is not as big or young as I would prefer but he can create his own shot, he is an all-star (maybe the officials won't screw us so much with 2 all-stars on our team), he is an upgrade over Collison and we won 48 games each year with Colllison so despite his lack of size we should be able to improve. Now having said that...since this is ideal...Durant and Irving tell the Nets they are VERY interested in signing there. The Pacers swoop in and take Russell. Since the Nets feel certain they will get Durant and Irving, they let Russell go. Durant and Irving then pull the rug out from the Nets and Durant returns to GS and Irving sign with LA...the Clippers.
                                Miami is way over the cap, maybe they will look to cut some salary. I say trade our 1st round pick for Justise Winslow (if we think we may have a chance to re-sign him if he works out). Winslow will give us a 3 and D wing. He has more length, speed and athleticism than Bogey. He is a better defender but not as good of a shooter, however, he did shoot 38% and 37.5% from 3 the past two seasons.

                                We would start Russell/Vic/Winslow/Turner/Sabonis. Our bench would be Holiday/Sumner/McDermott/Leaf/Johnson/ 2nd round pick. Before anyone starts complaining about the bench, remember these are young guys. I would expect at least 1 or 2 to improve. We saw Leaf and Holiday get limited minutes in the rotation this season. I would hope that they would be able to increase that next season. Also, by my calculations. we would have 10 guys under contract at $100.4 million. That would leave $8.6 million to bring in 2 more players to help our bench. Once we have reached the cap, we will have the $9.2 MLE to add another player or two to help our bench some more. At $9.2 million, we should be able to get a pretty good player. If we decide to go for 2 players, $4.6 million each should be able to get us 2 playable players.

                                Another route we could take is OKC. They are in luxury tax land. If they want ot get out of that, we could send them our 1st round pick for Paul George.
                                Last edited by sav; 05-02-2019, 02:02 PM.

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