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  • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

    If Conley agreed to give us a hometown discount after his deal is up, I’d have to think hard about giving up an asset to go get him this summer. He’s still a top 5 PG and should continue to be through his current deal health permitting. Hard to make salaries match unless we deal Turner or do some sign and trades with our free agents. I’m not sure how we’d do it, but I’d love to see Conley in blue and gold.
    Conley's contract is so darn expensive, but I think the timeline of it fits quite nicely with Aaron Holiday as he will have 2yrs to sit behind Conley to learn then maybe get the fulltime role once Conley is gone.

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    • Originally posted by festar35 View Post

      Conley's contract is so darn expensive, but I think the timeline of it fits quite nicely with Aaron Holiday as he will have 2yrs to sit behind Conley to learn then maybe get the fulltime role once Conley is gone.
      Or Conley signs a team friendly deal to stay on as backup if at that point Aaron’s better and the team is contending. If Conley really wants to come here and retire maybe he’d be willing to agree to something like that.

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      • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

        If Conley agreed to give us a hometown discount after his deal is up, I’d have to think hard about giving up an asset to go get him this summer. He’s still a top 5 PG and should continue to be through his current deal health permitting. Hard to make salaries match unless we deal Turner or do some sign and trades with our free agents. I’m not sure how we’d do it, but I’d love to see Conley in blue and gold.
        His contract would just absorb into the Pacers cap space after they renounce free agents and everything becomes official.

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        • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

          If anybody really wants to take a crazy risk, if Vic is not going to be 100% this year, what if we double down and get Wall?Use next year as an adjustment period, and start 2020 with Wall, Vic, and Myles
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • Does anyone else feel that Myles (If we keep Sabonis & him) is more than capable of playing PF?

            I know Myles is our rim protector, but it doesn't hold as much weight as it once did. Compared to Sabonis, Myles has better lateral quickness, length & recovery speed (which he has demonstrated multiple times, but recovering to block shots of guys who have initially got by him - Tobias Harris & Jaylen Brown to name a few). Where Myles struggles is with strong-bodied big guys as he simply doesn't have the size or strength to hold his ground, Sabonis on the other hand is extremely strong & capable of holding his own in this area. Yes his lack of reach is an issue here, but no more than Myles' lack of ability to physically hold ground against those bigger C's.
            Offensively Turner has the game of a stretch-4, Jaren Jackson Jr had great success as a PF playing next to a more traditional C, Myles game is very comparable to the rookie or Bobby Portis with defensive upside. Portis is seen as a PF & he is 6'11/250lbs the same as Myles.
            Last edited by festar35; 05-11-2019, 04:13 AM.

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            • Fire KP. Hire a GM who didn’t pass on Kevin Durant. Fire Nate. Hire a coach who knows offense. Trade Sabonis or Turner for a wing. Bring back no one except Bogdanovic and KO. Hit big in the draft the next Danny Granger without knee problems this time!

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              • Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

                His contract would just absorb into the Pacers cap space after they renounce free agents and everything becomes official.
                I don’t think that’s how it works, but I could be wrong.

                Im surprised this Conley thing hasn’t gotten more traction here. An All Star caliber player wants to play and retire here. That doesn’t happen often in Indiana.

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                • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                  I don’t think that’s how it works, but I could be wrong.

                  Im surprised this Conley thing hasn’t gotten more traction here. An All Star caliber player wants to play and retire here. That doesn’t happen often in Indiana.
                  He's on the same team that made Evans look like an all-star. He's an older player with injury history and a large contract

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                  • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                    I don’t think that’s how it works, but I could be wrong.

                    Im surprised this Conley thing hasn’t gotten more traction here. An All Star caliber player wants to play and retire here. That doesn’t happen often in Indiana.
                    There are a lot of other fringe benefits to bringing Conley in: namely, helping Turner get to his ceiling on offense. Turner has never played with an all-star caliber playmaker. Conley draws in defenders and always makes the right play on offense. He's going to get Turner so many open looks, and build up his confidence. Great locker room guy, fits the Pacer persona perfectly.

                    I imagine this is a trade we could do after the FA deadline, and make certain July signings specifically for Memphis at that point at ~10m-15m/year. That way Sabonis, McD, + a Memphis approved 10m-15m/yr signing should get the financial match pretty close. This is how I see us being able to sign a Randle or Middleton @~15-20m, re-sign one of Bojan or Young (depending on which of the former pair we sign). It's likely I'm overlooking some issue with this math, or misunderstand a rule or two, so apologies if I'm off here. But if I'm correct, we could see:

                    Conley
                    Oladipo
                    Bojan
                    Randle
                    Turner

                    That gives us arguably the best defensive backcourt in the NBA + Turner at the rim, optimal development of Randle and Turner behind Conley's stellar playmaking, Oladipo in a more titrated role on offense which should help him ease back into his All-star form and never take too much of a burden, and a perfect mentor for Holiday.

                    You gotta pay up for these kind of opportunities when you're the Pacers/ We need to use the Oladipo contract window to try to make a deep playoff push. This is how it happens. When else has a top 5 positional talent soft-requested a trade to Indy?

                    EDIT: I still really like the idea of Conley even if it means just re-signing both Young and Bojan, and merely signing a player that Memphis wants in the trade. I love what Thad brings to our culture, and Randle is a bit of a question mark there.
                    Last edited by Ratking; 05-11-2019, 04:54 PM.
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                    • I just don't get it myself.

                      Conley is the type of player IMO you bring in as the missing piece of a title contender (conf finals team or above). He is an old vet who has already hit his ceiling and has nowhere to go but down. He is not good enough of a player to elevate at team to another level. We have way to many holes (we lack wing depth and overall athleticism). I mean sure if we somehow got a stud power forward or somehow was surprised by a great small forward then maybe. But even then, his injury history is just to much for me to overlook.

                      5 years ago, yes. Now? No.

                      However this would be a very typical pacer move in getting a guard who is past his prime and has no room for growth. The one exception to this is that he would not be a bargain basement contract.

                      I agree with whoever said we have to shoot for Victor's contract to get competitive, but I just don't know how we do that this year when Victor may not even be back to start the year and will most likely not be at full strength (if he ever gets there) by the end of the year.


                      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                      • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                        I don’t think that’s how it works, but I could be wrong.

                        Im surprised this Conley thing hasn’t gotten more traction here. An All Star caliber player wants to play and retire here. That doesn’t happen often in Indiana.
                        Happens all the time in the offseason. Just never with that big of a contract. McDermott for Conley would give them a giant trade exception and a separate trade of Sabonis and pick for either an unsigned 2nd rounder (if they have one) or a future 2nd rounder or cash from the Grizzlies.

                        I would never do it though. If they do trade Sabonis or Turner it's going to be in a package for a legitimate superstar.

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                        • Originally posted by Ratking View Post

                          There are a lot of other fringe benefits to bringing Conley in: namely, helping Turner get to his ceiling on offense. Turner has never played with an all-star caliber playmaker. Conley draws in defenders and always makes the right play on offense. He's going to get Turner so many open looks, and build up his confidence. Great locker room guy, fits the Pacer persona perfectly.

                          I imagine this is a trade we could do after the FA deadline, and make certain July signings specifically for Memphis at that point at ~10m-15m/year. That way Sabonis, McD, + a Memphis approved 10m-15m/yr signing should get the financial match pretty close. This is how I see us being able to sign a Randle or Middleton @~15-20m, re-sign one of Bojan or Young (depending on which of the former pair we sign). It's likely I'm overlooking some issue with this math, or misunderstand a rule or two, so apologies if I'm off here. But if I'm correct, we could see:

                          Conley
                          Oladipo
                          Bojan
                          Randle
                          Turner

                          That gives us arguably the best defensive backcourt in the NBA + Turner at the rim, optimal development of Randle and Turner behind Conley's stellar playmaking, Oladipo in a more titrated role on offense which should help him ease back into his All-star form and never take too much of a burden, and a perfect mentor for Holiday.

                          You gotta pay up for these kind of opportunities when you're the Pacers/ We need to use the Oladipo contract window to try to make a deep playoff push. This is how it happens. When else has a top 5 positional talent soft-requested a trade to Indy?

                          EDIT: I still really like the idea of Conley even if it means just re-signing both Young and Bojan, and merely signing a player that Memphis wants in the trade. I love what Thad brings to our culture, and Randle is a bit of a question mark there.
                          Newly signed players (that aren't your own free agents) can't get traded until December 15.

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                          • Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

                            Happens all the time in the offseason. Just never with that big of a contract. McDermott for Conley would give them a giant trade exception and a separate trade of Sabonis and pick for either an unsigned 2nd rounder (if they have one) or a future 2nd rounder or cash from the Grizzlies.

                            I would never do it though. If they do trade Sabonis or Turner it's going to be in a package for a legitimate superstar.
                            Or someone that is also on a rookie contract and has a load of potential, at least in Sabonis’s case

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                            • Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

                              Newly signed players (that aren't your own free agents) can't get traded until December 15.
                              Oh right, the setting I always change on 2K
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                              • I admit, it would be hard to give up a 22 year old for a 31 year old Conley, but I’d still consider it. If there’s a chance to get him without giving those guys up you almost have to do it though. I’d offer something centered around Holiday (who I’m high on) and a 2020 and see if they bite. Honestly, I don’t think Memphis gets a ton of offers because of that contract and they’ll want to do right by Mike and send him somewhere he wants to go so I think a deal like that’s possible.

                                The fact that he actually wants to finish his career here is what changes everything for me. I was meh up until that was reported. His deal lines up perfectly with Vic’s and we’d have Bird Rights to easily sign them back. We already know Conley would likely re-sign so we’d just have to convince Vic and pairing him with another All Star would obviously help with that. Mike would do wonders for our young bigs development too like Rat noted, and I really don’t think he’s lost much of a step if at all. He had one of his best seasons last year with basically no help. He still really damn good and his game isn’t based on athleticism so he could conceivably play at a high level for 3-4 more years. KP has to go get him if he can.

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