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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Indianapolis Star

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Boys, Bye: A Farewell to the 2018-19 Indiana Pacers

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  • Boys, Bye: A Farewell to the 2018-19 Indiana Pacers

    Three pressing offseason questions for one of the most resilient teams in the league. Where will Indiana go from here? A lot depends on Victor Oladipo, naturally.

    On Sunday, the Indiana Pacers became the first domino to fall in the 2018-19 postseason, blowing their first-round series to the Boston Celtics in a sweep after a disappointing 110-106 Game 4 loss. At this moment, before fans and front office alike dive deep into the overall direction and impending future of the Pacers franchise, I’d like to say farewell. Goodbye to one of the weirder Pacers playoff teams this decade, a perfect mix of spunk and grunge. Adieu to the hopeless post–Victor Oladipo backcourt combinations we shall never speak of again; adieu to Wesley Matthews, who joined the team midseason after getting bought out and did exactly one thing each night: bomb 3s for a team that rarely shot from deep, ever; adieu to playing heroball without a hero.

    Long live, meanwhile, all the silver linings that followed Oladipo’s season-ending injury in January. Long live Bojan Bogdanovic and Domantas Sabonis as mainstream contributors. Long live Myles Turner, who transformed himself into one of the elite rim protectors in the game. This Pacers team scrambled and tweaked and realigned out of desperation. Some elements it bred will be left in the 2018-19 season. Others will be part of the foundation going forward.

    For two years in a row, Indiana outperformed its expectations, building something promising despite being left for dead following Paul George’s departure in 2017-18 and Oladipo’s injury in 2019. How much longer can it fly under the radar? Here are three questions for the Pacers this offseason to determine whether they can make that next step: overachieving when you aren’t an underdog. Outside of Oladipo’s return, how much can the Pacers realistically change next season?

    How an organization moves during free agency says a lot about how it views itself. The Knicks have always been a big swinger with few cap-related reservations, even when they’ve failed to sign big fish many times before. Oftentimes, that’s left them with nothing but last-ditch desperation signings and gross overpayments. Indiana, I believe, can see itself a bit more clearly. Though it’s a holy land for the sport, it’s never been a free-agent destination. In this era of players teaming up, Dipo’s ruptured quad-tendon injury completely derails that in their immediate future.

    That isn’t to say Kevin Pritchard and the rest of the Indiana front office don’t have the resources for a dramatic addition this summer. The Pacers can clear up to $44 million by renouncing cap holds across the board. But that isn’t as clean cut as it sounds: All but two of their eight free agents averaged at least 20 minutes on a team built around balance and continuity. You could make a six-deep rotation out of their free agents—Bojan Bogdanovic, Thaddeus Young, Cory Joseph, Tyreke Evans, Darren Collison, and Matthews—and it’d beat the Suns best of seven. Parting with even half of those guys rips the roots of their rotations.

    Because Indiana’s been kept competitive by its role players, the price to retain those role players will increase. Bogdanovic, for example, is a sharpshooting Croatian treasure who earned himself a major raise with the way he handled the second half of the season and will likely be the first player the Pacers reach out to this summer. Young, who established himself as a reliable, versatile two-way player on the team, could also be eyeing a long-term deal. Sabonis, who is not a free agent but is up for an extension this year, is a slightly different case. He’s a solid scorer and rebounder coming off a career year, but could be stuck in limbo: Indiana re-signed Turner, its starting center, to a four-year, $80 million deal last offseason, and Nate McMillan rarely plays the duo together in the frontcourt. If Sabonis is expecting a deal similar to Turner’s (he should—despite coming off the bench, Sabonis averages more points, rebounds, assists, and free throws than Turner does in fewer minutes), that’s $160 million dedicated to two men McMillan won’t play side by side in crunch time.

    There’s the small-market rule of thumb to never let go of what wandered in. Pritchard traded for Sabonis, and keeping him would be easier than convincing another Sabonis-caliber player to come in free agency. Still, spending it all to run it back turns the short term into the long term, and the Pacers are simply not talented enough to be wedded to that version of themselves. What’s their ceiling if they’re fully healthy?

    There’s no official timetable for when the team will return to “fully healthy,” and the updates Oladipo or the team provide are vague. Oladipo was on the bench for Game 4 against the Celtics, his first visit back to Bankers Life Fieldhouse since the incident. (After they introduced him and the crowd gave its ovation, Indiana went on a 13-0 run.) I even watched this sponsored video Oladipo posted on Instagram of him dancing to Harry Connick Jr. six times trying to find any hesitation in his movements. (No hesitation; he’s a great dancer; I just bought the teeth whitening thing he was advertising; $59.99 before shipping.)

    When Oladipo is cleared—and I will not pretend to know when that will be—it’ll be a long way back to the All-NBA–caliber player he was. Reacclimating to game speed, new schemes, new teammates, new limitations on what his body can do—it all takes time. Dipo’s game is built on burst, but neither he nor the team can count on it returning immediately. Indiana’s ceiling is directly tied to Oladipo, which means it will take a while until the team knows where it stands and where it can grow. How can Indiana stay competitive with the top tier of the East?

    The Pacers didn’t have to make the playoffs to consider this season productive. Their best player was lost, ergo (we assumed) their offense was as well. Eastern Conference counterparts like Boston and Philadelphia, meanwhile, are still searching for a point in the postseason that will feel like validation, like the “job well done!” either has yet to receive this season. It feels all but certain that Brett Brown is coaching for his job; it feels like the beginning of Brad Stevens coaching for his flawless reputation.

    Indiana didn’t have that degree of pressure, but because of its relative success, it is picking 18th in the 2019 draft instead of in the lottery. It’s an interesting time to be floating just above the middle, where Indiana is. A number of teams stuck in the tanking spin cycle—the Kings, the Magic, the Nets—emerged like new this year. That long, often unsuccessful process is one the Pacers didn’t have to engage in after George left, but leaves them another year (?) without the shepherd that would supposed to guide them back toward the top. Without a healthy Oladipo, Indiana won’t have enough to break into the East’s elite, but this season has offered a blueprint. There’s value in having players with defined roles and a team-oriented spirit. The formula might not be as easy to replicate next season, but they just need to hold on until we know just how Oladipo looks upon his return. Until then, barring another shocking trade, it would be a success for Indiana to just hold on.
    Man , I hope we dont approach the off-season , "lets do nothing major until we know about Vic" We have to build as though he will be back and playing well at some point next year
    Three pressing offseason questions for one of the most resilient teams in the league. Where will Indiana go from here? A lot depends on Victor Oladipo, naturally.
    Sittin on top of the world!

  • #2
    We need another star player. If Vic returns, we have 2 stars and may have a shot at contending. If Vic doesn’t return or doesn’t return at or near his pre injury level, we still have a star a should be able to field a decent team.

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    • #3
      I’m not feeling this article. There’s nothing wrong with patting the fellas on the back for fighting hard to maintain what they had built with Vic but let’s not pretend they are a great team. The team can’t stay put with the 7 free agents they have. Some may want to play elsewhere or the front office might not want them back. There are some upgrades available and the Pacers can try to build a team that could compete better with or without Vic getting back to his pre-injury level. .

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      • #4
        At the end of the day, we need another star player to compete. Vic's health should be a moot point, because even if he was 1000% healthy...we should still get another star player to play alongside him.


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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        • #5
          We should get three more all stars, just to be safe.
          Lifelong pacers fan

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          • #6
            Link and author please. Or am I just not seeing them on Tapatalk?

            Sent from my LG-H700 using Tapatalk

            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              Link and author please. Or am I just not seeing them on Tapatalk?

              Sent from my LG-H700 using Tapatalk
              It must be tapatalk, he has it listed at the bottom.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Peck View Post

                It must be tapatalk, he has it listed at the bottom.
                I'm assuming the little credit block? Hmm. We may have to require the name/link in text if that block doesn't show up to apps - that would mean it possibly wouldn't show up to a copyright crawler, either, which could get able in trouble


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                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • #9
                  this post does not comply with our rules, please address this
                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                  If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by able View Post
                    this post does not comply with our rules, please address this
                    It does if you see it in a browser. That's the discussion - our rules don't specify the format of the attribute and link; perhaps we should for just this reason.

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                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • #11
                      I posted this article, i my opinion, the same as I have done literally hundreds of time
                      Sittin on top of the world!

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                      • #12
                        We can't stay pat, but we don't need to blow it up either. We don't want to kill the chemistry like signing Jeff Teague or that guy we traded Danny Granger for (can't remember his name, lol)

                        Go Pacers!

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