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Kemba - How Realistic?

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  • CJ Jones
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    I’d prefer SF be upgraded with a max level player, but I’d max Kemba if he wanted to come here. He checks a lot of boxes for me as far as what I believe this offense needs to get to a top 10 level...

    Elite scorer
    volume 3 shooter
    shot creator/playmaker
    volume free throw shooter
    +80% free throw shooter

    He’s a perfect fit chemistry wise too. He’s said some really nice things about Vic in past interviews. Not just about Vic’s game, but about his personality and about how good a dude Vic is. He’d fit in well here imo.

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  • Mr. Mass
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    A 48-win team, adding a healed Oladipo and Walker, is a 60- win team on paper.

    I realize "on paper" doesn't always translate to "in reality," but if you're trying to sell Kemba on coming to Indy, that's the angle to take. The Pacers might not be a contender without Walker, but with him? Unless he tanks, or Oladipo's worse than we imagined, that team should absolutely be a contender in the East.

    Convince Walker that he not only has a chance to compete in Indy, stroke his ego by making it clear he's the difference between pretender and contender. If he believes in his own abilities, he should be sold.

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  • imawhat
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    Unrealistic because he'll want to go to a winner/contender.

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  • D-BONE
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    Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
    Since the Pacers are where PGs come to die, I can't fathom spending the max on a PG. I hated the idea last year but like the idea this year of looking at Elfrid Payton. Let Payton, Holiday and Sumner compete for the starting role. I'd try and sign Randle as our starting PF. Draft a couple 2/3s. Bring back Thad, Wes and BB. Let Evans, CoJo, DC and KOQ walk

    PG: Payton/Holiday/Sumner
    SG: Vic/Wes/Doug
    SF: BB/18th pick/2nd rounder
    PF: Randle/Thad/AJ
    C: Turner/Sabo/Leaf
    I have been interested in Payton and Randle for some time. A concern would be that neither of them contribute much outside shooting to the starting group. Payton still carries a bit of development upside to him, but it's starting to wear thin, as he's been around a while now and hasn't been able to really put it together.Last year injuries played a big role in it though.

    Randle puts up solid numbers, but some don't view him as a winning team player. Not much defensive resistance and some black hole tendencies on the other end. But both offer more physicality and youth than DC and Thad.

    Kemba would be my top choice, but just don't have the confidence surrounding top-line FAs and Indy. In our position, I would give the Payton/Randle suggestion serious consideration.
    Last edited by D-BONE; 04-21-2019, 08:40 AM.

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  • jrwannabe
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    Since the Pacers are where PGs come to die, I can't fathom spending the max on a PG. I hated the idea last year but like the idea this year of looking at Elfrid Payton. Let Payton, Holiday and Sumner compete for the starting role. I'd try and sign Randle as our starting PF. Draft a couple 2/3s. Bring back Thad, Wes and BB. Let Evans, CoJo, DC and KOQ walk

    PG: Payton/Holiday/Sumner
    SG: Vic/Wes/Doug
    SF: BB/18th pick/2nd rounder
    PF: Randle/Thad/AJ
    C: Turner/Sabo/Leaf

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  • festar35
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    Originally posted by Strummer View Post
    There's a thread in the Feedback sub forum about the background issue. There's a work around by clicking the SOURCE icon (far left) if you aren't doing fancy formatting.

    I don't want Kemba, he'd cost too much. I'd rather go after a point guard for around $15M or so. Definitely someone making less than Victor. I want an up and comer. Plus I have high hopes for Edmond Sumner.

    And no, I don't think your dream roster is possible. We'd have to renounce too many cap holds to clear enough to sign Kemba. Unless Bojan and Thad are extreme bargain signings.
    Problems there isn't really a PG out there worth $15MIL, in other words one that makes us better. Our realistic options are likely:
    Terry Rozier, Emmanuel Mudiay or Delon Wright as a free agent pick up. I'd be real interested in doing a deal for Mudiay like New Orleans did for Julius Randle, a kind of prove yourself deal, I think he has a lot more to offer than what we have seen & New York wants cap space so won't hurry to bring him back.

    As mentioned the trade market is more likely, but apparently the asking price for Conley is quite high (likely want Turner or Sabonis) which for a 31yr old making an average of $33mil the next 2yrs I would happily pass on. Jrue Holiday may become available (unlikely) or Goran Dragic (1yr - $19mil) who has had health issues could be a pick up worth looking at as a 1yr rental why we keep a close eye on Aaron's development. Dragic could cost a future protected 1st rounder or maybe a 2nd rounder + TJ.

    C. Turner
    PF. Young
    SF. Bogdanovic
    SG. Oladipo
    PG. Dragic/Mudiay
    Sabonis, Holiday, McDermott, TJ, 18th Pick, Sumner, Johnson
    Last edited by festar35; 04-21-2019, 06:58 AM.

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  • yoadknux
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    No chance.
    I don't think we're a big enough upgrade for him to leave his Hornets.
    I also don't think we'll give him the money he could make elsewhere.
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    ​Our only chance of getting talent is trading Turner or Sabonis along with our pick.

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  • graphic-er
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    Kemba said in a recent interview that the reason he loves Charlotte is that he can live a very low key, slow pace life. He can go around town and not be bothered by people constantly. That sounds a lot like Indy....who has a team that wins. And he would be joining an all star player who is on his level. Said while he loves New York and Brooklyn, he said living there you just don’t get any downtime.

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    Walker prefers it this way. On the court, his game is the embodiment of the New York City product he is, full of pull-ups, hesitations, crossovers and dimes. Off the court, he would rather be as he is now, in a familiar setting and out of the spotlight. ‘I love it,’ he said of Charlotte during a conversation the previous week before repeating himself for emphasis. ‘I love it. It’s perfect for me. The pace of the city is pretty slow, which I love. It’s not fast-paced like New York. … I’m able to just live pretty much a normal life. I’m able to go out and eat and not really be bothered. Go to the mall and walk around, not really be bothered. That’s what I like, personally. That’s the kind of life I like to live.”
    https://hoopshype.com/2019/04/14/kem...ericks-pacers-




    living in New York or LA might nice, but you got a ton of distractions, a lot of people who just try and take up your time. A lot of people who feel you owe them your time and attention.

    so yeah if Kemba is serious about winning, Pacers should be on his list of teams to visit.

    I just wonder how commited Simon is to paying 30 million a year for one player.
    Last edited by graphic-er; 04-21-2019, 01:57 AM.

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  • Strummer
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    There's a thread in the Feedback sub forum about the background issue. There's a work around by clicking the SOURCE icon (far left) if you aren't doing fancy formatting.

    I don't want Kemba, he'd cost too much. I'd rather go after a point guard for around $15M or so. Definitely someone making less than Victor. I want an up and comer. Plus I have high hopes for Edmond Sumner.

    And no, I don't think your dream roster is possible. We'd have to renounce too many cap holds to clear enough to sign Kemba. Unless Bojan and Thad are extreme bargain signings.

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  • 712Jefferson
    started a topic Kemba - How Realistic?

    Kemba - How Realistic?

    Sorry for this being a bit premature, but a reply I just left in another thread really got me thinking about this.

    We all agree that we currently have a team full of solid role players, but sorely lack in premium talent and shot creation. I also just read an article today that Kemba Walker may have finally decided he's willing to part ways with Charlotte after they failed to pull the trigger on a Marc Gasol trade to help with the playoff push.

    I know we would be far from the favorites to land a player of his caliber in free agency, but I don't believe its out of the realm of possibility either (contrary to the other big name free agents this off season). He seems like he would be a great fit for us and we could potentially sell him on the notion that he is our "one piece away from contending" with the reintroduction of Vic and some other re-signings.

    What are your thoughts on the possibility and do you agree on the fit? Could he and Vic compliment one another in the backcourt or are both too ball-dominant for that to reach it's full potential?

    More importantly, is it at all cap realistic to achieve my "dream" scenario for next year's roster:

    Starters:
    Kemba
    Vic
    Bojan
    Domas
    Myles

    Reserves:
    Holliday
    Sumner and/or CoJo?
    McDermott
    Thad
    TJ
    #18 pick and filler

    Curious to open it up to discussion!

    P.S. On a side note, I have a hell of a time writing posts on here, especially on mobile, since the redesign due to the lack of contrast between the black text and the practice court background image in the text field. Is this an issue for anyone else?
    Last edited by 712Jefferson; 04-20-2019, 11:57 PM.
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