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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Post game Playoff #3 Pacers vs Celtics

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  • #61
    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
    The Celtics don't really impress me that much with 3 "stars" and an outstanding 2nd year player. They'll get swept in the second round.
    I'd be surprised. This team went to the Conference finals last year - missing 2 of their top 5 players.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by PaulGeorgeForPresident View Post

      The scoring drought isn't embarrassing to you? Enough is enough.
      The scoring drought is the result of a team lacking a superstar.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
        The same thing that people been saying all season. We're not a great team without Victor Oladipo.
        We're not one with him either.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #64
          Can't give up 41 points in one quarter and score 12 in another and expect to win in the playoffs.

          The Celtics are simply the better team. The Victor loss was devastating, but I never expected our season to end as poorly as it has.

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          • #65
            BTW, are we finally done with the disaster that was signing McDermott? 12:01am, baby.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by imawhat View Post
              Can't give up 41 points in one quarter and score 12 in another and expect to win in the playoffs.

              The Celtics are simply the better team. The Victor loss was devastating, but I never expected our season to end as poorly as it has.
              Not really sure why to be honest. We played lots of teams who were trion for Zion during the middle part of the schedule to the teams credit they beat them. However once you started to play teams who were not lottery bound you started to struggle and then when you started to play teams who were ramping up for the playoffs, well we just couldn't compete.

              This season is a direct result of last off season. I am trying my best to remember a worse off season but right now I can't. The reason I consider last off season so bad wasn't just because of the horrible acquisitions we got but it was because of the money available and tradable assets we had. Kyle O'Quinn didn't get off of the bench. Doug McDermott played so poorly in the first half he did not return. Tyreke Evans was your best player.

              All you have to know about this playoff series can be summed up in the following statement. Tyreke Evans has been you best most consistent player. If that doesn't put the fear of God in you nothing will. Tyreke, who almost everybody wants out of here ASAP is the one consistent offensive threat you've had and honestly hasn't sucked on defense. Now its not because Tyreke has played all that well. No, its because all of our players have played that poorly or simply put Boston has been able to shut them down.

              The really sad part of this is this. We have to many free agents this upcoming season and we are going to have to sign back several of them and thus will not have the cap space people have so long bragged about. Also it should be noted that the money doesn't matter because no A list free agents are coming here.

              In fact I'm going to put up a poll later spring to see who this years version of Rodney Stucky/Monta Ellis/Tyreke Evans will be.

              Look it's okay to like the team. They play hard. That is a credit to both the players and to Nate and if you are content with good being good enough then this team and season are for you. But if you are striving for something more than this is absolute misery. I just see us wasting Victor's prime not being able to surround him with talent, much like what ended up happening to Paul George.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #67
                Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                BTW, are we finally done with the disaster that was signing McDermott? 12:01am, baby.
                Nope, you have two more years to enjoy that trash bin of a signing.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                  Nate McMillan is now 3-11 in the playoffs with the Pacers, and 17-31 for his career. I'd give him one more year, I guess, but if we're not at least a second-round team next year, it's time for him to go.
                  Holy crap, I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was that bad.


                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • #69
                    If Oladipo stayed healthy then I'm not sure we would beat the Celtics either, but I also don't think we would be playing them.
                    The reason I say that is that if he stayed healthy I fully expected us to be the 3 seed. We are a very good regular season team because we always play so hard & come playoff time we are still a solid team, but only have so much extra to give without another elite guy in the line-up.

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                    • #70
                      This last 1.5 months has been too much. This last 3 games just sealed the deal for me. I'm done for the season. I will be honest with you guys. I stopped paying attention after we lost to Boston a few weeks back. The only way that I even consider paying attention again this season is if they somehow drag this out to a Game 6 ( which is very very unlikely given how mentally weak this Team has become ).

                      I know that the below response is 3/4 due to me being pissed off at how crappy this Team has played in the last 3 games if not the end of the regular season, but here goes:

                      I hope the Pacers get swept in Indy in Game 4.

                      There, I said it. I have always been a "Fight to the end" type of guy. But I DO NOT want to give KP or anyone in the Pacers FO any reason to think that any aspect of this lineup ( outside of Bojan/Myles/Sabonis/Dipo/Holiday ) is worth keeping in any shape or form. I want the FO to look at the Players that are about to become Free Agents and say to themselves, "Yeah, some of these Players worked at the beginning. But clearly they didn't have it in the end. Let's start looking at other options and building around Bojan/Myles/Sabonis/Dipo/Hoilday".
                      Last edited by CableKC; 04-20-2019, 02:04 AM.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #71
                        Itís def depressing right now if you want this team to ever win a championship. I think we will be good again next year but as they say And Iím going to butcher this but ...being good is often the biggest obstacle to being great. I think we re sign one of our current free agents, prob bogie or Thad...maybe both but then that leaves us with the exact same problems.

                        I know we could look to blow the team up and trade miles, sabonis ,and then tank but thatís gonna be miserable too. Itís rough liking a team that isnít located on the coast because itís near impossible to lure free agents. I dunno what the fix would be to solve this but I think parody in the league would be much better if there was a way to entice frrr agents to go to smaller market teams.

                        I usually am pretty happy how Nate has coached but he def has dropped the ball on playing Myles and Sabonis together and seeing if they can truly coexist. I think if they can it would take this franchise to the next level and if they canít than you gotta get rid of one. Also I donít like how he never uses the rookies and give them experience , especially when our point guards and ďveterans ď continued to play horrible. But it got us to the playoffs and the team sold many tickets and fans were entertained and then heartbroken. Iím not nastradamus but I predict much of the same for next year and the year after, after all thatís pacers basketball. Btw sorry for the rant Iím just saddened how this year ended and I feel like Iím watching the same movie over and over since the Reggie years.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                          The Nate hate is pretty misdirected. I'll buy that he's not the guy to take us to contender status in the near future. But at what point is the primarily about a marginally talented team operating without their main guy. I won't cry any tears if he's terminated immediately, but his coaching is far from the main issues with this team - the Vic injury this year and the marginal collection of overall talent at best.
                          I agree it's a bit misdirected and he's not the primary problem (we all agree the talent deficit is). However, plenty of the criticism is warranted.

                          We just had another sh*tshow of a quarter in the second half and Nate didn't make one... not even ONE... adjustment. Seriously, not one. He said during his interview before the fourth that we just needed to execute better. Okay, sarge... Wait, execute WHAT? Did we even run an offense in the third quarter? I'm being serious, not sarcastic. It truly didn't look like it. Each subsequent possession seemed to devolve further and further into some sort of weird hybrid of disorganization and stagnant futility. Okay, so I guess the answer is just to let our guys try to create off the dribble because, um, that's been a huge strength of ours all season long, right? Oh, and let's keep arguably our most athletic available guard on the bench the whole game... you know, the one with the best chance to generate offense off the dribble... and instead play DC practically the entire quarter and play that dynamite DC/CoJo tandem together when things are really starting to fall apart.

                          Just the definition of frustration for all of us to watch and even worse to be able to predict what will happen before it happens, over and over again.
                          Last edited by GizzyStardust; 04-20-2019, 04:34 AM.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
                            It was really striking tonight that the Pacers don't have a single player who can drive the ball into the lane and then have the vision to pass it out when the defense collapses. Boston was able to really send multiple guys at the driving player without much risk of getting burned.

                            That's a non negotiable for whatever major piece the Pacers try to get this summer, they must have that.
                            We have a winner. My vote is point guard as the main culprit
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              There, I said it. I have always been a "Fight to the end" type of guy. But I DO NOT want to give KP or anyone in the Pacers FO any reason to think that any aspect of this lineup ( outside of Bojan/Myles/Sabonis/Dipo/Holiday ) is worth keeping in any shape or form. I want the FO to look at the Players that are about to become Free Agents and say to themselves, "Yeah, some of these Players worked at the beginning. But clearly they didn't have it in the end. Let's start looking at other options and building around Bojan/Myles/Sabonis/Dipo/Hoilday".
                              I am not good with even that core. Frankly I am willing to trade all except VO for a one year rental of Anthony Davis and get some complementary pieces. That means bye to Myles at a minimum

                              {o,o}
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                              • #75
                                Becoming more disillusioned with the Pacers and NBA in general. Barring an unforeseen player that is a revelation as a late draft pick, canít see where this team is getting out of the muck of mediocrity. Vic improves things for sure, but he at best was taking this team to the ECF.

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