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What must happen for the Pacers to not humiliate themselves (again) on national TV for game 2. Or Part 2 of what we must do to try and win a game

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    What must happen for the Pacers to not humiliate themselves (again) on national TV for game 2. Or Part 2 of what we must do to try and win a game

    Okay the first one didn't go so well so let's see what we can do to try and not score as many points in a quarter as a bull rider goes for seconds in a rodeo.

    In no particular order.

    Thad Young must grab more rebounds than our backup shooting guard. Simply put when we are getting smoked on the boards by a total of 13 (they actually got it down from 18) you can not have your power forward rebounding as though he were a point guard. 5 steals were great and that chasedown block was inspiring but it meant nothing because he would not or could not rebound. For us to do anything he has to grab a minimum of 7 rebounds. Hell Myles grabbed 8 so there really is no reason for him not to be able to.

    Bojan must not turn into Doug McDermott. What does that mean? Well if your not going to be able to score, which the Celtics have him bottled up, then for Gods sake do something else. How about grab more than two rebounds or pass for 1 assist. 2 steals were nice but I am pretty sure both of them came in garbage time along with 7 of his 12 points. I understand he is frustrated because Stevens obviously has scouted him well and has game planned him right out of existence. Let's see if he can adjust to their adjustments and score more, but if not get involved in other aspects of the game.

    Myles Turner has to be involved in the offense. I don't know in what capacity but there is just a part of me that does not believe that Baynes can guard him if he gets going. But to get going he has to shoot. A lot of that is on Nate to work some plays to get him some offense but a lot of it is also on Myles. He can not just pass up open shots and he really can not not drive to the rim when the only player between him and the rim is Terry Rozier. I watched Jarett Allen the other night and to be honest I've never really thought much about him, I think his shot blocking is over rated and he just didn't have the size Myles has. However the more I watched him the more I realized just how much more active he is than Myles. He is always moving on offense, always working to get a lob pass or a tip back and he was attacking the offensive boards with a vengeance. Myles has the bigger body, Allen has the higher motor. Myles needs some of that if we are going to win even one game. I appreciate the 8 rebounds, I really do. Let's shoot for 10 this game and if not that I'll accept 8 if you can maybe score in double figures.

    Darren Collison can't be what he was that first game. Honest to God he was pitiful and it wasn't just the shooting. I get guarding Irving is a tough task, which he is sharing with Mathews, but you have to make him spend some energy guarding you as well. Shooting 27% from the field is not going to get that done. We wont' win another quarter let alone game if he doesn't make a dramatic comeback.

    Sabonis is going to have to also not suck. Bad passes, poor defense, poor shot selection. Good rebounding though. Look if this is the best he is going to be this series we might as well pack it in. But I have faith in him. So what we need from him is really just a good solid game with double double production. Probably going to need 18 points from him as well because if he can get going down low that will hopefully open up some shots for other players as well and he is good at hitting shots.

    Cory Joseph just needs a repeat of game one really. Good shooting, decent defense and no turnovers. If he gives us this game again and everybody else improves even a little then we stand a chance to at least not be the laughing stocks of this playoffs, hopefully that can be Detroit (sorry Kstat & Shags).

    Tyreke Evans, well the best thing I can say is that he out rebounded Thad, which isn't saying much. If he is going to shoot 27% then we can't play him, period. Every single minute should go to Holliday or hell even Sumners at this point. But if we are looking for positives here then Tyreke can become an unstable molecule and get to the rim, draw fouls and score. If he can give you 14 points on 45% shooting then that might change up the Boston defense at least some.

    Now to other issues and sadly this is in order.

    Nate is going to have to adjust the strategy at least some. We all know he is not adjusting his lineups so the best we can pray for is that he somehow between Sunday and tonight realized that there are more offensive sets than a high pick and roll. At least I've read somewhere that there were I haven't seen any in years so I kind of forget what they look like. Now what completely deflates my hopes of this are the quotes I've read from him yesterday when asked about what adjustments we were going to make he said the following. "We gotta play through the contact" then in another interview I saw he literally said "stay the course". I get that you work with what you have, I get that you don't panic and change everything after one loss (a putrid one but still just one). But at some point in time you have to be willing to do something even anything when nothing is working. That third quarter was not an anomaly for the team, its really kind of our thing here in the second half of the season. So to even have a remote chance to win if we are getting the same lack of offense again, try some different players after awhile. Adjust the rotations. That starting five was not handed to Moses on a table from God. If you need to start the second half with Joseph instead of Collison do it. If maybe you can get more offense by pairing up Thad and Domantas do it. Stop sticking to the literally self imposed restrictions we have placed on ourselves. And yes if for some reason you need a spark and Tyreke isn't getting it done then yes try Aaron Holiday with some real (not garbage time) minutes.

    Hit your freethrows

    As for the Celtics if we could just get the russians to hack into Al Horfords GPS on his car and make him drive up to Rhode Isand for the game that would be great.

    What are your thoughts.
    Last edited by Peck; 04-17-2019, 03:14 AM.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    If the Pacers can make shots, then they should be fine. But they can't win shooting 33% and 22% from 3. If they start making shots, the rest of their issues will solve themselves.

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      I'm beating a dead horse, and you briefly touched on it.

      Win the 3rd quarter.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?
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      • #4
        Play like we played for most of the season.

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          Peck said..Thad Young must grab more rebounds than our backup shooting guard. Simply put when we are getting smoked on the boards by a total of 13 (they actually got it down from 18) you can not have your power forward rebounding as though he were a point guard. 5 steals were great and that chasedown block was inspiring but it meant nothing because he would not or could not rebound. For us to do anything he has to grab a minimum of 7 rebounds. Hell Myles grabbed 8 so there really is no reason for him not to be able to.


          My answer is a change in philosophy. Currently everyone races back on defense. The Celtics are going to get their fast break points so concede that level and send more people to the offensive board
          for parts of the game to allow the Pacers to get some extra shots or easy points
          {o,o}
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            Not much we can do. Boston is a bad match up. Only possible advantage we have is the Center position. Myles and Sabonis should be able to beat Baynes and their backup. Myles doesn't seem to have the confidence to take games over offensively though. Bad coaching job by nate
            Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel
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              If we play with more urgency and more aggressive on offense we can win this game. Everyone can do more, but the two players that I think really need to step it up are DC and Myles. Myles has to become more than a pick and pop guy. We need him to roll more, and also take it to the rack. A simple pump fake on a pick and pop would probably get Baynes out of position and Myles should be able to score or get fouled on his way to the basket.

              Dc has to find a way to get in the lane and put pressure on the defense. Stevens is a great coach and I'm sure that his team knows, 9 times out of 10 on a DC and Myles pick and roll that Dc wants to get the ball back to myles for the mid range jumper. The main issue that I have with our point guards is that they don't put much pressure on the opposing defense. For us to win we need DC to get in the lane, find the open shooter, or hit his midrange jumper.

              Ball movement is key. The celitcs have big athletic wings, so they can switch everything. We have to find a way to get the defense rotating and moving. we need quick decisive decisions from our ball handlers. Most notably Cojo and Evans. They cannot dribble for 15 seconds they have to get in the offense as quick as possible. Iso ball will not win against the Celtics. Sabonis also has to be more decisive. It will be tough for him to beat Baynes and Horford one on one. If the lane is not there on a pick and roll he needs to reset and not try to force a post-up.

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                I want Myles to get a LARGE amount of attempts on goal. Most by rolling to hoop and making Boston foul him into oblivion. Take outside shots too.
                {o,o}
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                  Nate’s offense is a pain to watch. They have Bogey acting like Victor out there. I seen Bogey attempt the Bull rush move multiple times just like Victor does.

                  They need to run more creative screen screen sets like Elevators. Where Bogey runs out from under the basket and 2 bigs close door on his defender. This would force a lot of movement for the defense .once Bogey is free’d up.

                  all they do is run some Floppy action to try and get a good switch. Then they run bull rush or High Pick Roll.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
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                    So we're all going to act like they're getting poor shot selection? I must be in the minority, but my only attitude is "Convert your open look". I honestly don't care who's scoring as long as we're scoring and don't suffer some ungodly drought.


                    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      Like ksuttonjr76 just said, we can not have a long scoring drought. 24-0, 26-8 those can't happen. Unfortunately they seem to happen more often than not lately. Those are killers and the only suggestion I have would be for Nate to call a timeout and try putting some different players in. We will have 13 professional basketball players suit up, surely 1 or 2 can consistently make a basket.
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                        Originally posted by sav View Post
                        Like ksuttonjr76 just said, we can not have a long scoring drought. 24-0, 26-8 those can't happen. Unfortunately they seem to happen more often than not lately. Those are killers and the only suggestion I have would be for Nate to call a timeout and try putting some different players in. We will have 13 professional basketball players suit up, surely 1 or 2 can consistently make a basket.
                        I joked about this in the original game thread, but I suggested that Nate DON'T go into the locker room at the half, and the team needs to stay on the floor to practice their jumpers and FTs (another glaring problem that's going unnoticed on this board). I honestly feel that the Pacers beat themselves more than they're beaten by the other team.
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                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          As for the Celtics if we could just get the russians to hack into Al Horfords GPS on his car and make him drive up to Rhode Isand for the game that would be great.


                          This reminds me of my lone trip to Boston. Asked a clerk at the gas station near our hotel (north of Boston on Highway 1) where the nearest grocery store was? Whew. You gotta go out of here, turn left, get on the 95, take it about 15 miles, get off on the first New Hampshire exit, hang a right and you're there. "Much obliged, my good man!" On the way back, we passed the same gas station, only to realize a right turn at the next light would have landed us in a Shaw's grocery store.

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                            God bless, Nate. He seems like one hell of a human being and he's a good coach - he really is. But, you hit the nail on the head, Peck. We need some more creativity with our lineups and offensive strategy. Put our team and our players in the best chance to succeed. That's what a coach is ultimately supposed to do. At that point, it's on them to execute. I think we're mostly doing this on defense, but falling far short of it on the other side of the ball.

                            Quite honestly, I believe in this series that our best lineup might be:

                            Aaron
                            Bojan
                            Thad
                            Domas
                            Myles

                            Now, there's about a snowball's chance in hell of us actually seeing this group on the floor together, but I think it's surely worth a try. Defensively, I think Aaron has possibly the best chance on the team to guard Kyrie, Thad could really help shut down Tatum, and Myles/Domas could adequately guard their bigs.

                            On offense, it gives you 2-3 shooters, someone who can actually penetrate (cough, cough... Darren) and would really help on the boards.

                            Also, I think TJ should continue to play, but I believe he's being misused as a 4. I think he's a backup stretch 5 in the modern NBA. He's too slow footed to be a terribly effective 4, in my opinion.
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                            • #15
                              Do whatever it takes to win the freakin' game! Play with some aggression, energy, enthusiasm, determination, a sense of urgency, confidence!!!

                              I'd start Sabonis with Turner, sit Evans and play either Holiday or McDerrmot at B/U SG. Use McDerrmot in catch-N-shoot situations to open up the offense. The Celtics know he'll shot the ball. So, they won't shag off him like they would Evans or Thad Young who shouldn't be taking 3PAs in the first place.
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