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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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NBA: Ranking the 10 best scouting departments over the past 20 years

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  • NBA: Ranking the 10 best scouting departments over the past 20 years

    Since 2000, which NBA organizations have had the most success when it comes to scouting in the NCAA, internationally, and the undrafted player pool?

    Drafting is an essential part of an NBA teamís success. In every yearís draft, there is often optimism surrounding the draft classís top picks. A chance at one of the players, if not more, becoming an elite level talent.

    Yet when it comes to young draft prospects, there is never a guarantee on whether their game will translate to the NBA level: the player might have been great in high school and in college but will his talent remain on par with NBA players/the best players in the world?

    And since not every team is bad enough to have a shot at a high-level prospect that is in the top 5 to 10 range, winning organizations needs their attention to detail to become amplified even further for later rounds; there is a higher risk of those players not panning out.

    That being said, even though through the years various NBA teams have experienced significant team structural changes in terms of their coaching, management, and scouting staff, there has remained a handful of teams that still were able to find valuable players in the draft.

    So regardless of whether draft night trades occurred (the team still scouts the player and has the opposing team make the pick for them), the player scouted went undrafted, or the prospect went on to become a high-quality rotational player ó only years later on an opposing team ó here are 10 NBA teams with the best scouting in the past 20 years.


    Indiana Pacers

    Similar to the Spurs, the Indiana Pacers havenít been a lottery team since 2009 (the Oladipo trade prevented a rebuild 2 years ago), so one must put into consideration how hard it is to find high-level NBA talent, without ever having a top 10 pick for that many years.

    Danny Granger was a terrific scorer prior to injury, George overachieved what many expected him to become coming out of the draft, due to his strong work ethic, and though Hibbert might have been inconsistent at times on the offensive end, he deserves immense credit for the NBA placing the rule of verticality ó a maneuver you often see big men follow today.

    Hits: Roy Hibbert, Paul George, Myles Turner, Danny Granger, Lance Stephenson

    Misses: Joseph Young, Shawne Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Georges Niang, Miles PlumleeLoad Comments
    Since 2000, which NBA organizations have had the most success when it comes to scouting in the NCAA, internationally, and the undrafted player pool?
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  • #2
    Impressive for a front office that sucks.
    Last edited by PacerDude; 03-05-2019, 07:15 PM.

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    • #3
      And of the misses only Hans and Plumlee were bad picks. Funny that they have Niang and Young when OJ was Pulp had probably a worse career than those 2. And where is Stanko?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
        And of the misses only Hans and Plumlee were bad picks. Funny that they have Niang and Young when OJ was Pulp had probably a worse career than those 2. And where is Stanko?
        agreed I would say Erik Dampier and George McCloud were bigger misses, and in recent times Jared Bayless/Rush

        Edit: Fred Jones at 14?

        https://www.basketball-reference.com...IND/draft.html
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        • #5
          Miles Plumlee is still in the league, wasnít he like the second to last pick, lol, how is that a miss?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
            Miles Plumlee is still in the league, wasnít he like the second to last pick, lol, how is that a miss?
            I agree, I think he's in his 7th season. He's earned over $30M. Definitely not a miss.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
              And of the misses only Hans and Plumlee were bad picks. Funny that they have Niang and Young when OJ was Pulp had probably a worse career than those 2. And where is Stanko?
              i'm still holding out hope for stanko coming over

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                Miles Plumlee is still in the league, wasnít he like the second to last pick, lol, how is that a miss?
                Plumlee was a miss because he was drafted in the first round, where he had no business being drafted. Doubt he would have been drafted at all. Obvious miss
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

                  Plumlee was a miss because he was drafted in the first round, where he had no business being drafted. Doubt he would have been drafted at all. Obvious miss
                  Plumlee has produced more in the NBA then the 4 players picked directly before him or the next 7 players picked directly after him. He was the 26th pick who has had the 22nd most win shares. That includes the 6 second round picks who have been better than him.

                  The Pacers haven't actually had a bust in that metric since Hansbrough (21st best in his class) and then Rush (30th best in his class). I stopped at Leaf's draft because those players haven't had enough time yet, but Leaf is in danger of being on the list (24th best so far).

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                  • #10
                    The only way Plumlee can be considered a bust is that we didn't sign him to a second contract. But that definition of a bust only applies from the Pacers point of view, not from the league as a whole point of view.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                      Plumlee has produced more in the NBA then the 4 players picked directly before him or the next 7 players picked directly after him. He was the 26th pick who has had the 22nd most win shares. That includes the 6 second round picks who have been better than him.

                      The Pacers haven't actually had a bust in that metric since Hansbrough (21st best in his class) and then Rush (30th best in his class). I stopped at Leaf's draft because those players haven't had enough time yet, but Leaf is in danger of being on the list (24th best so far).
                      There is always a place in the NBA for bigs that can move well. I cannot remember the last time I have seen Plumlee play in an actual game. A Pacer first round pick is an NBA 12th man. Laughable that people are defending this horrible draft pick. Should have been Draymond Green, but our scouting department is not good. Same department that traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard.
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

                        There is always a place in the NBA for bigs that can move well. I cannot remember the last time I have seen Plumlee play in an actual game. A Pacer first round pick is an NBA 12th man. Laughable that people are defending this horrible draft pick. Should have been Draymond Green, but our scouting department is not good. Same department that traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard.
                        Your first statements belies the rest of your post. If as you say, "there is always a place in the NBA for bigs that can move well" the Pacers did a good job drafting a player at the 26th position who not only got a second contract (most players drafted that deep fail to make it in the NBA) but has had a successful long-term career and is still playing in his 7th NBA season. 29 other teams essentially missed on Draymond Green, too. At the time he was considered a tweener, too small to play the 4 and too slow to play the 3. Hat tip to Golden State for preparing for the position-less revolution.

                        Taking Danny at 17, trading for Hibbert at 17, getting the best player in his class at 10 in PG, Lance at the 40th and getting a very good player at 11 in Myles Turner, not to mention seeing the value in Oladipo and Sabonis when PG threatened to send the Pacers franchise careening off the rails point to the scouting department having some idea of what they are looking for/at.
                        Last edited by Drew46229; 03-06-2019, 10:50 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Drew46229 View Post
                          29 other teams essentially missed on Draymond Green, too. At the time he was considered a tweener, too small to play the 4 and too slow to play the 3.
                          This is a perennially rejected argument. It is only the Pacers who suck when they miss a hindsight obvious draft pick. Every other team drafts perfectly every year, therefore they by definition didn't make a mistake by passing on the player. The Pacers always draft horribly so every miss is critical and causes them to continue to be the worst team in the league year after year.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

                            There is always a place in the NBA for bigs that can move well. I cannot remember the last time I have seen Plumlee play in an actual game. A Pacer first round pick is an NBA 12th man. Laughable that people are defending this horrible draft pick. Should have been Draymond Green, but our scouting department is not good. Same department that traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard.
                            Well, at least you are honest. You havenít watched him play, but somehow you still have an opinion on the subject, okay.

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                            • #15
                              I tend to believe the only true botched pick was Hansbrough. Not taking Jrue Holiday when we needed a point guard was asinine.

                              Super late picks are such a crap shoot itís usually hard to say either way, having guys like Plumlee just stick in the league at all is pretty much a success.
                              "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                              - ilive4sports

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