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  • What do we do now?

    Obviously we don't know the diagnosis just yet, but it really isn't sounding positive, what do you think the best play is from here?

    I guess to take a small silver lining, we are most likely going to get some consistent Aaron Holiday time out there, so that'll be good to see.
    Obviously we aren't going to replace Vic with any kind of equivalent talent, but I wouldn't hate us looking at a guy like Rodney Hood or KCP to come in as rental for the rest of the year at SG spot either. They are both about 25yrs old, can shoot & play solid D when motivated. It kind of low risk given they expire, but they still young & could play well.

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    we can get CJ Miles for nothing lol

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    • #3
      My gut feeling is that they will do what the Pacers typically do and that is not much trade wise. They might convert Edmond Sumners or maybe even sign another deep bench cheapo and give us all a steady diet of Tyreke Evans and Doug McDermott at the two spot. I hope we get some Holiday, if we don't it will be criminal.

      However if they felt that they wanted to do something this might be the time to go for broke and try and get Bradley Beal from Washington. They won't because the cost will be to high (starting with either Myles or Domas) but if Victor is as I suspect gone for the year and probably some of next year and even then he will have to recover and who knows how far he will recover this might be the time to change up tactics and go for broke.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        I guess Tyreke will be taking Oladipo's minutes.
        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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        • #5
          If the team could figure out a way to swing a deal that involves a young wing on a rookie contract that could make sense. Especially if they feel that player is better than what they can get in the next draft, would have value when Vic comes back and could use the 2019 pick as part of the deal. Maybe a Justin Jackson/Mikal Bridges type vs. say Josh Jackson who would likely mean Holiday would have to be included.....

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          • #6
            I think you have to take a small step back in order to move forward. Bogdanovic and Thaddeus Young would easily be two of the most valuable trade pieces out in the whole market. The Pacers need to decide who they really want to sign to an extension and trade the other one, or even potentially trade both. You don't give them away if all you can get is second round picks, but I'd be shocked if they couldn't get more than that.

            One of Collision or Joseph should also likely go, and I would trade one of them for two seconds if that's all I could get. I wouldn't trade them both because this team could use some capable play from the PG position down the stretch.

            This is not tanking. I still want the team that's left to give its best run. I just am trading value for this year for future value and getting assets they can use to make a big move going forward. The Pacers will also be able to give backup roles to players like Leaf and Holiday in this scenario to continue to be able to develop them and also potentially one more young guy. Those guys will get valuable playoff experience.

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            • #7
              Sign some scrub to fill Dipos place thatís the Pacers way, my guess is they are talking to Stuckey right about now.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #8
                I was studying a bit about potential trades of our expirings...

                1) CoJo to Denver for Isaiah Thomas + Michael Porter

                CoJo would give Nuggets a solid defensive 3rd guard which can be very valuable in playoffs. Porter & Thomas seem more and more unlikely to even see a court this season and I wouldn't see us ever getting a single game out of I.T. actually. However, in case he recovers at some point, Porter would be like a high lottery pick for a very small price.


                2) Collison to Philly for Markelle Fultz

                This has already made rounds, but a spot-up shooter like Darren fits well in a team where Simmons is main playmaker. They may not NEED him as Shamet is doing the job ok, but it would deepen Sixers for play-offs. They wouldn't mind extra 9 mil cap space next summer either. Fultz is a high-risk play which I'm not very enthusiastic about but it COULD reap big dividends in a perfect scenario.


                3) Bogie to Orlando for Jonathon Simmons + 1st-round pick

                I believe Magic to be desperate for playoff-return this season and adding a true SF (enabling Aaron Gordon play more at 4) is something really beneficial for them.
                Giving up a late-teen 1st-rounder is a steep price for a half season of Bogie, but Orlando already has a lot of youngsters to develop. Maybe they would value making playoffs even more.
                Besides, while Simmons has lost his role in Magic, but could actually give a poor man's Dipo as a rim-attacker for us. He is also a cheap roster guy for next season.

                Edit! This trade could also be available with Collison instead of Bogie. Jerian Grant has been a catastrophe as a back-up point guard. OK, then we likely speak about a 2nd-rounder (or two as they have 3 of those next year - we could get the lower 2), but that would also be a nice return.


                4) Bogie + Thad to Portland for Harkless, Meyers Leonard and two 1st-rounders

                This trade would make Portlanf much greater threat this post-season and simultaneously enable them to get out of any lottery tax danger zone next year. We would be pretty much forfeiting both this season and next summer (by adding 20+ million of dead money in our books for a year), but two extra picks is a big thing too...


                And of course these are alternative moves. Not proposed as done concurrently. IMO, we should trade only two of our expirings.
                Last edited by PetPaima; 01-24-2019, 08:56 AM.

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                • #9
                  Giving up and punting the season isn't what the Pacers do. So while it would make sense to me to call teams and say we're open for business, especially with the expiring contract veterans, I doubt we'll see that happen. Like festar said, Hood or KCP seem to make a lot of sense for what we can realistically expect.

                  Personally, my reservation for trading the guys like Thad, Bogey, CoJo, etc, was that we have great chemistry and trading those guys meant risking that - which meant the return was going to have to be a clear cut win for us to justify it. Well, assuming Vic is done for the year, whatever chance we had to actually compete in the East is done too. In which case, screw the chemistry and let's be aggressive in building toward the future. Trade the expiring contracts for any kind of positive future value. Decent picks, young prospects, whatever we can get. Call Dallas and check on Dennis Smith Jr. Call Washington and check on Porter. Magic fans were discussing Aaron Gordon for DSJ, so call and see about his availability. I'd still be willing to call Memphis about Conley because it's easier to match salaries when you consider any of those guys fully available. And of course, check on Kemba again, even though it appears MJ isn't giving up hope there. Look at building with Myles and Domas and the return of Vic, with Holiday as a solid contributor at least.

                  The only reservation I'd have is that Thad is the kind of guy I would like to see retire as a Pacers player. If he stays around and does his thing, he's another Jeff Foster, another Dale Davis, in terms of hard-working fan favorite, and he's the ultimate teammate. But at the end of the day, there would be a number of deals that I'd have to think about if the other team wanted Thad.

                  I don't expect KP to do anything drastic. But I'd definitely be taking phone calls and thinking about next season, starting at around 8:00pm yesterday.
                  It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                  • #10
                    We trade people, lose games, and try our best to win the lottery. Zion Williamson should be a Pacer next season
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pizza guy View Post
                      Giving up and punting the season isn't what the Pacers do. So while it would make sense to me to call teams and say we're open for business, especially with the expiring contract veterans, I doubt we'll see that happen. Like festar said, Hood or KCP seem to make a lot of sense for what we can realistically expect.

                      Personally, my reservation for trading the guys like Thad, Bogey, CoJo, etc, was that we have great chemistry and trading those guys meant risking that - which meant the return was going to have to be a clear cut win for us to justify it. Well, assuming Vic is done for the year, whatever chance we had to actually compete in the East is done too. In which case, screw the chemistry and let's be aggressive in building toward the future. Trade the expiring contracts for any kind of positive future value. Decent picks, young prospects, whatever we can get. Call Dallas and check on Dennis Smith Jr. Call Washington and check on Porter. Magic fans were discussing Aaron Gordon for DSJ, so call and see about his availability. I'd still be willing to call Memphis about Conley because it's easier to match salaries when you consider any of those guys fully available. And of course, check on Kemba again, even though it appears MJ isn't giving up hope there. Look at building with Myles and Domas and the return of Vic, with Holiday as a solid contributor at least.

                      The only reservation I'd have is that Thad is the kind of guy I would like to see retire as a Pacers player. If he stays around and does his thing, he's another Jeff Foster, another Dale Davis, in terms of hard-working fan favorite, and he's the ultimate teammate. But at the end of the day, there would be a number of deals that I'd have to think about if the other team wanted Thad.

                      I don't expect KP to do anything drastic. But I'd definitely be taking phone calls and thinking about next season, starting at around 8:00pm yesterday.
                      The tricky part is that they are all free agents. I would be all for sticking with this core through the VO injury if they were for sure guaranteed to be back next year. (Like the PG injury). I think KP and Nate have to look hard at each free agent and see who they want back next year. Anyone not likely to be back should be traded for value. With VO the Pacer's had a shot at coming out of the East, without him we are at absolute best a 2nd round playoff team. I would probably look to flip one of Collison/Joseph or Bogey/Thad for some younger talent considering I think it's very unlikely all 4 are back next year.


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                      • #12
                        To be honest, I don't think the injury is going to change the outcome of this season too much. While Oladipo has been the most high profile guy on the team, he wasn't really the most important player. The only difference is that instead of finishing 3rd and making it to the 2nd round (and slim chance of ECF), we'll now finish around 6th and first round exit (and slim chance of 2nd round). One round here and there don't make or break the franchise, so I wouldn't bother with any deadline deal to "try and save the season". The only thing we have to do is see how bad this injury is going forward, and decide what to do with our frontcourt, since our 2 most promising players (Turner, Sabonis) and our best player (Thad) have overlapping roles. There's a good chance at least one of them won't be here next season, which is something we need to resolve.
                        Originally posted by Piston Prince
                        Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
                        "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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                        • #13
                          Until Vic has his MRI and we hear something definitive, am holding onto hope the injury isn't as bad as I've been hearing, but Vic is obviously out for an extended period. If he is indeed out for the season then surely Tyreke will start in his place, and this might be a good time to bring down Sumner from Fort Wayne to back him up.

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                          • #14
                            I don't think this should change KP's approach at the deadline. I think he should have been looking at an all-star or near all-star without giving up our core of Turner/Sabonis/Vic/Holiday to put along side of Vic. He should be still looking for an all-star or near all-star.


                            We have a lot of draft picks, expiring salaries and young players we could move...after last night, however, I'm keeping Thad.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              We trade people, lose games, and try our best to win the lottery. Zion Williamson should be a Pacer next season
                              Let alone agreeing with you, the Pacers have historically never been a team to do that
                              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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