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  • #31
    Originally posted by Banta View Post
    I think many people lose sight of the fact that pro sports is simply entertainment. And it is a business. Team owners donít owe you a championship as a reward for your fanship. Local fans should be pleased that we have a winning franchise. Nearly every game I attend (STH) is a victory. And nearly every season is a winning season. The Pacers are a good product AND a good value. I wish everything I bought was the same quality. Iím entertained.
    Bless you, Banta! We need more fans like you.

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    • #32
      people just take this **** way too seriously. you don't get a ring, whatever the Pacers do only impacts you as much as you want it.

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      • #33
        We have a team that plays hard, seems to like each other, plays unselfishly, and is the easiest Pacer team to root for in as long as I can remember. They can also compete with anybody and will be a tough out for anybody. I'll take it!!!! The people *****ing about a lack of title would probably be the same people *****ing about lack of multiple titles once we win one.

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        • #34
          I respect the FO for not allowing the Pacers at any point to be a bad team. In fact, over the last 30 years we made it to the conference finals 8 times, I'd say its pretty good. But at the same time, it makes you wonder how long you can be this steady "dark horse" team that nobody wants to play against, but doesn't truly achieve major victories. Like vnzla said, we wasted Granger's prime, and if we stay with this "keep cap space open, sign washed up players cheap" ideology, we'll waste Oladipo's prime too. Look at Toronto, they could have said "Guys, we've been a 50+ wins team for the last 3 years, but never beat Lebron. Now that Lebron is gone, we can keep doing what we've been doing and make it to the finals". Instead they took a major risk and traded their star for a bigger star, and whether it pays off or not we'll have to wait and see, but you have to respect their courage. The 76ers were already a good team with a bright future but they still gambled on Butler. Now, I don't really know who will be available at the deadline and free agency, but this is a recurring element for us: we have a star, we have expiring contracts, but we don't make major moves. I don't want us to do a rushed deadline deal. I want the FO to look at the situation and have something for draft day/free agency, because we'll be in a situation where we have borderline star in his prime (Oladipo), a good starting center (Turner), a 6th man of the year (Sabonis) and cap space, so its the perfect time to acquire a guy who is close to Oladipo's talent. I want to see us make a move for Conley. He's an overpaid player on a collapsing team which means cap relief and a 1st round pick may be enough. Taking on his contract is fine because after this year he only has 2 years remaining on it and his contract expires the same time Oladipo's contract expires. Are we a "Conley" away from a championship? Don't know, but I think it brings us much closer, especially with Lebron finally out of the East.
          Originally posted by Piston Prince
          Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
          "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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          • #35
            Like always I expect Pacers to do nothing serious by trade deadline, Pritchard is going to say ďwe had some things working but we thought our chemistry was more valuable and we also want to keep flexibility in the futureĒ then he is going to tell us about how they want to be big players in free agency because they have 40mil in cap space and everybody is going to get excited.

            Then off season comes, they waste their cap space in trash and they do it again and again until Dipo is washed and is time to trade him for a bag of Cheetos.
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            • #36
              I have almost no problem with how the FO operates. And I'm not complaining about this team. I'm just acknowledging that this team isn't as good as several other Pacer era teams namely the JO era, PG/DWest era and the late's Reggie era.

              Here is the key. In each of those instances we had a true contender. The PG/DWest team was borderline contender and would have been better had Hibbert's game not fallen apart. But this Dipo team? It's a fantasy if anyone believes that Victor Oladipo will ever lead this team to contention...unless there is a large shift in talent. This team isn't well constructed and really doesn't compete that well except against scrub teams. The players are likable and they try hard to win games. That's admirable. But that's not enough for some of us. We want a better team that at least has a reasonable chance of advancing in the playoffs.

              As it stands, this thing amounts to Ground Hog Day. We've already seen them get beat in the 1st round 100 times. It's time for something better. Personally, I think they need a new era in Indiana to really make any noise....in fact I am almost certain of that. And Sabonis and Myles Turner along with Dipo are not the answer. They don't fit well. Dipo is a smallish guard that now has a bum knee. The Pacers just need to move toward turning the page on this chapter.
              Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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              • #37
                If the team ends up being too cheap to keep Victor, Myles, and Domantas here, i'll have to seriously reconsider whether they're worth supporting.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  I have almost no problem with how the FO operates. And I'm not complaining about this team. I'm just acknowledging that this team isn't as good as several other Pacer era teams namely the JO era, PG/DWest era and the late's Reggie era.

                  Here is the key. In each of those instances we had a true contender. The PG/DWest team was borderline contender and would have been better had Hibbert's game not fallen apart. But this Dipo team? It's a fantasy if anyone believes that Victor Oladipo will ever lead this team to contention...unless there is a large shift in talent. This team isn't well constructed and really doesn't compete that well except against scrub teams. The players are likable and they try hard to win games. That's admirable. But that's not enough for some of us. We want a better team that at least has a reasonable chance of advancing in the playoffs.

                  As it stands, this thing amounts to Ground Hog Day. We've already seen them get beat in the 1st round 100 times. It's time for something better. Personally, I think they need a new era in Indiana to really make any noise....in fact I am almost certain of that. And Sabonis and Myles Turner along with Dipo are not the answer. They don't fit well. Dipo is a smallish guard that now has a bum knee. The Pacers just need to move toward turning the page on this chapter.
                  There is no doubt of that. This team wasn't meant to compete. It is a team that was thrown together in what was supposed to be a rebuilding period. It just happened to be much better than expected mainly due to Oladipo last year. If the 7 games without Oladipo were any indication, if it wasn't for Oladipo playing at an MVP level last year Luka Doncic would be a Pacer right now.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Banta View Post
                    I think many people lose sight of the fact that pro sports is simply entertainment. And it is a business. Team owners don�t owe you a championship as a reward for your fanship. Local fans should be pleased that we have a winning franchise. Nearly every game I attend (STH) is a victory. And nearly every season is a winning season. The Pacers are a good product AND a good value. I wish everything I bought was the same quality. I�m entertained.
                    And the STH perspective is important, because we're the ones the Tank Squad expects to keep the team on a business level while they are feasting on the $2 resale tix or (more likely) ignoring the team unless the decade of tanking finally leads to a top draft pick.

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                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • #40
                      i can see both sides of this argument, sure itís great to a solid team going to the playoffs every year and you just hope the team clicks and get some favorable match ups and or injury advantages to make a deep playoff run. Interestingly enough I never considered the Donny Walsh teams to be like that. But they drafted really well and just got incrementally better every year until they got to the finals. Donnie Walsh was also great at getting good thru trades.

                      I think you can legitimately say the Larry Bird era ushered in this direction from ownership to find players in the bargain bin. To be frugal and try and build up cap room. Larry Bird never really did anything of note with the cap room other than David West at 10million a year? Several times Bird had legit cap space to add a difference maker and he missed badly.

                      So so far KP has done well with getting good players on decent deals. But he got lucky, signing DC And Bogey was supposed to net us some lottery picks in the standings. KP had a very different plan originally before Oladipo had such a break out season. That is also why it pains me to think we are just gonna let these guys expire and not flip them for a proven all-star caliber player. These are assets that play above their expectations for the most part. KP should be able build a great package for a star player.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        I have almost no problem with how the FO operates. And I'm not complaining about this team. I'm just acknowledging that this team isn't as good as several other Pacer era teams namely the JO era, PG/DWest era and the late's Reggie era.

                        Here is the key. In each of those instances we had a true contender. The PG/DWest team was borderline contender and would have been better had Hibbert's game not fallen apart. But this Dipo team? It's a fantasy if anyone believes that Victor Oladipo will ever lead this team to contention...unless there is a large shift in talent. This team isn't well constructed and really doesn't compete that well except against scrub teams. The players are likable and they try hard to win games. That's admirable. But that's not enough for some of us. We want a better team that at least has a reasonable chance of advancing in the playoffs.

                        As it stands, this thing amounts to Ground Hog Day. We've already seen them get beat in the 1st round 100 times. It's time for something better. Personally, I think they need a new era in Indiana to really make any noise....in fact I am almost certain of that. And Sabonis and Myles Turner along with Dipo are not the answer. They don't fit well. Dipo is a smallish guard that now has a bum knee. The Pacers just need to move toward turning the page on this chapter.
                        I have seen the Pacers advance past the first round many times. Maybe I have followed the team longer than you have. As for ďĒWe want a better teamĒĒ I can only point out that the current team has a 2:1 win-loss ratio. If that isnít good enough for you then perhaps change teams? Seriously, maybe you need to ask yourself if you are more of a pro basketball fan than specifically a Pacers fan. That isnít intended to sound snarky. Just suggesting something in case you have never considered it.

                        For me, Iím a basketball fan and couldnít be happier with the fact that I live in a city with a pro team and one that respects consumers enough that they make an effort to ensure they are putting out a good product. Imagine how much worse you could have it as a fan. I think that is important perspective.


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                          I have almost no problem with how the FO operates. And I'm not complaining about this team. I'm just acknowledging that this team isn't as good as several other Pacer era teams namely the JO era, PG/DWest era and the late's Reggie era.

                          Here is the key. In each of those instances we had a true contender. The PG/DWest team was borderline contender and would have been better had Hibbert's game not fallen apart. But this Dipo team? It's a fantasy if anyone believes that Victor Oladipo will ever lead this team to contention...unless there is a large shift in talent. This team isn't well constructed and really doesn't compete that well except against scrub teams. The players are likable and they try hard to win games. That's admirable. But that's not enough for some of us. We want a better team that at least has a reasonable chance of advancing in the playoffs.

                          As it stands, this thing amounts to Ground Hog Day. We've already seen them get beat in the 1st round 100 times. It's time for something better. Personally, I think they need a new era in Indiana to really make any noise....in fact I am almost certain of that. And Sabonis and Myles Turner along with Dipo are not the answer. They don't fit well. Dipo is a smallish guard that now has a bum knee. The Pacers just need to move toward turning the page on this chapter.
                          I have looked this up before, but in the last 30 years, the team has advanced out of the first round as many times as they have lost in the first round, so this idea that they only get to the first round is fantasy.

                          We actually have a winning record in the playoffs in the NBA, post 1976. How do lose in the first round every year, but have a winning playoff record, hmmmmm.....
                          Last edited by kent beckley; 01-21-2019, 10:43 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            i can see both sides of this argument, sure itís great to a solid team going to the playoffs every year and you just hope the team clicks and get some favorable match ups and or injury advantages to make a deep playoff run. Interestingly enough I never considered the Donny Walsh teams to be like that. But they drafted really well and just got incrementally better every year until they got to the finals. Donnie Walsh was also great at getting good thru trades.

                            I think you can legitimately say the Larry Bird era ushered in this direction from ownership to find players in the bargain bin. To be frugal and try and build up cap room. Larry Bird never really did anything of note with the cap room other than David West at 10million a year? Several times Bird had legit cap space to add a difference maker and he missed badly.

                            So so far KP has done well with getting good players on decent deals. But he got lucky, signing DC And Bogey was supposed to net us some lottery picks in the standings. KP had a very different plan originally before Oladipo had such a break out season. That is also why it pains me to think we are just gonna let these guys expire and not flip them for a proven all-star caliber player. These are assets that play above their expectations for the most part. KP should be able build a great package for a star player.
                            Yep Pacers got very lucky with DC and Bogdanovic and yes they are going to let them expire like always, chemistry is so valuable for them that is ok to let them walk for nothing.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BillS View Post
                              And the STH perspective is important, because we're the ones the Tank Squad expects to keep the team on a business level while they are feasting on the $2 resale tix or (more likely) ignoring the team unless the decade of tanking finally leads to a top draft pick.

                              Sent from my LG-H700 using Tapatalk
                              You love to frame these arguments to fit your narrative. It is not the result I have issue with, its the approach. Ive spent a lot of time and money supporting this team, starting before Reggie Miller was even a thing here.

                              The object of this entire thing is to compete for the championship. And if we arent trying to do that, we arent doing anything. We are just fodder. And we didnt pay for the arena and all that to be fodder.

                              On the other hand, the Colts, totally get it. They dont always win, but they always try. And the owner, at the very least, has shown he has an idea what it actually takes to compete. Simon isnt willing to spend any money in a league where you need 3 max players to have a chance. Se are worried about being able to keep Vic, Myles and Sabo together, and we need way, way more than that. Its a joke.

                              If you strip away all the nonsense, the Indiana Pacers havent tried since Mel Simon passed. Herb Simon is holding the organization back. He bought the team very cheap. And with the cities help, he has built it into a very expensive franchise. He can really cash in on that investment and I think the time has come for him to do that.

                              Noone is saying anything outrageous or untrue. Most of you even acknowledge it and are totally happy with it. But the attendence doesnt lie. The team is not exciting the fan base, because they dont have a viable chance to win and everyone knows it. Some of that is the fault of the NBA. But most of it is Herb Simon and his tight wallet.
                              Last edited by Taterhead; 01-21-2019, 10:52 AM.
                              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                              • #45
                                I'd like to know what players are currently available that the Pacers could pick up and improve the team.

                                Beal or Porter won't be traded as long as long as Washington has a shot at the playoffs.

                                Charlotte won't trade Walker as long as they are in the playoffs, besides both Walker and Charlotte have said they want to stay together.

                                Dennis Smith, Jr. Is that really an upgrade? A 6'3" 195 pound guard with a 6'3" wingspan. His career averages are 14 points and 5 assists on 40% shooting. We have a rookie in Aaron Holiday who is 6'0" 186 pounds with a 6'7" wingspan. He has a lot of potential, some have said that he is future all-star. Just watching him in his limited minutes this year, you can see he is going to be good if he gets the opportunity.

                                The Pacers historically in the NBA have tried to put a competitive team on the floor. If they become legitimate contenders, the Simon family has shown that they are willing to go over the tax. They did so in the 1990's to keep the team that featured Reggie, Smits and Dale Davis together. That is a very reasonable and logical plan for a small market team.


                                I don't see any moves the Pacers could make at the trade deadline to make them better. I do think they should be able to make some moves in the off season. We also have a lot of young players on this roster. We have seen Turner and Sabonis improve to all-star or near all-star levels.


                                How much will Holiday, Leaf and Sumner improve over the summer? I know a lot of people complain about Leaf but the kid is only 21 years old. He has cracked into the rotation this year and has made some pretty good plays.


                                I would love to win multiple NBA titles, but I realize we are a small market team and the opportunities are limited. Heck, a lot of teams struggle to win titles. How many have the Knicks won since 1976? The NY/NJ/Brooklyn Nets?


                                In my opinion, Pacers fans should appreciate what we have, enjoy our winning seasons and for this team just be patient. We have a lot of young players, give them a chance to develop before you give up on them.

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