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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • Originally posted by festar35 View Post

    Kent Bazemore!!!!!
    Bazemore is a SG that can play some at SF. We need someone bigger...in my opinion.

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    • Originally posted by BillS View Post
      I am wondering why, no matter the mix of players, Pacer teams always seem to go on long stretches where they can't hit easy shots, including missing tons of free throws. I am never surprised when we start the game with a run of bricks, or when we hit a 3-5 minute scoring drought in the mid-2nd quarter or the beginning of the 4th.

      And it usually isn't the challenged shots - it's missed layups or short jumpers.
      I'm really wondering if this doesn't happen to every team in the NBA at least 3-4 games a season. Boston has lost games to the Suns and Heat when they couldn't hit shots. The Raptors got blown out by Orlando. The Sixers were blown out by the Nets, Celtics, and Trailblazers. Milwaukee was blown out by the Pacers without Oladipo. The Warriors were blown out by the Lakers and Lebron only played the first half.

      Cold nights happen to everyone but it looks and feels worse when it's a marquee match up on National TV. Onto the next game. The teams mentioned above all bounced back after a bad loss so here's hoping the same goes for the Pacers.

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      • Originally posted by Peck View Post

        Somewhere BnG has a cold shiver go through him and he doesn't even know why.

        You do realize what you are describing is not having Lance Stephenson in a Pacers uniform, right? I mean Lance in any other uniform does not work but for some reason in a Pacers uniform it works. That being said, yes what you are saying is true and I'll go one step towards the insanity ledge and say that letting Lance go and paying Tyreke Evans 3x as much was a huge mistake.
        I felt the chill...and the snowstorm hasn't even started yet.

        They can rediscover the fire from last season. It is highly likely that Lance will be back on the market as his contract ends once the snow melts. And you know he sells tickets in a small market. Don't ever forget that or the excitement he brings to the fieldhouse. He has one last run in him and 3 times is a charm.

        But to your point. Your are absolutely spot on correct that Kid Minni is sensing the loss of Lance Stephenson whether or not he would admit that or recognize it. But I don't blame him. Many, many people don't understand energy. It's invisible. You cannot touch it. More than anything, it does NOT make logical sense nor does it align much with statistics. Because it's invisible, it could be coming from another source or player (e.g. Myles Turner). But it isn't. Dipo has a smidgen of it himself but it's not enough.

        The good news is...the Pacers and their players know this. Over the years, insiders, coaches and players have all backed Lance and all of them talk about the energy. Even if it cannot be seen with the naked eye.
        Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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        • Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post

          I'm really wondering if this doesn't happen to every team in the NBA at least 3-4 games a season. Boston has lost games to the Suns and Heat when they couldn't hit shots. The Raptors got blown out by Orlando. The Sixers were blown out by the Nets, Celtics, and Trailblazers. Milwaukee was blown out by the Pacers without Oladipo. The Warriors were blown out by the Lakers and Lebron only played the first half.

          Cold nights happen to everyone but it looks and feels worse when it's a marquee match up on National TV. Onto the next game. The teams mentioned above all bounced back after a bad loss so here's hoping the same goes for the Pacers.
          I have a theory that this kind of thing is a by-product of the new NBA. Most NBA teams are jump shooting teams. And 3 pt jump shooting teams. It has been my experience that jump shooting comes and goes. The good shooting team has more good days than a bad shooting team, but both teams have games where they can't miss and can't make. With the disappearance of the inside games, the old tactic of getting the ball on the rim and letting Dale and Antonio go get it are in the past. So the Pacers and most other teams live and die by the jump shot.

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          • Originally posted by sav View Post

            Bazemore is a SG that can play some at SF. We need someone bigger...in my opinion.
            Taurean Prince!!!!!

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            • Even if philly and boston are better than us, they aren't 25-30 point blowouts better than us. We played remarkedly awful in these games. The Toronto game too. They may have won, but they certainly didn't get our best effort. Let's not forget we've beaten both these teams earlier in the year too.
              Lifelong pacers fan

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              • Originally posted by Peck View Post
                That being said, yes what you are saying is true and I'll go one step towards the insanity ledge and say that letting Lance go and paying Tyreke Evans 3x as much was a huge mistake.
                also known as the ledge of common sense

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                • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                  I felt the chill...and the snowstorm hasn't even started yet.

                  They can rediscover the fire from last season. It is highly likely that Lance will be back on the market as his contract ends once the snow melts. And you know he sells tickets in a small market. Don't ever forget that or the excitement he brings to the fieldhouse. He has one last run in him and 3 times is a charm.

                  But to your point. Your are absolutely spot on correct that Kid Minni is sensing the loss of Lance Stephenson whether or not he would admit that or recognize it. But I don't blame him. Many, many people don't understand energy. It's invisible. You cannot touch it. More than anything, it does NOT make logical sense nor does it align much with statistics. Because it's invisible, it could be coming from another source or player (e.g. Myles Turner). But it isn't. Dipo has a smidgen of it himself but it's not enough.

                  The good news is...the Pacers and their players know this. Over the years, insiders, coaches and players have all backed Lance and all of them talk about the energy. Even if it cannot be seen with the naked eye.
                  I mean, the gear-shifting thing isn't necessarily entirely on Lance Stephenson leaving, lol. I'm not sure how we landed there, but do we miss that? Maybe. I don't think Lance is the sole reason for this lack of extra gears. He could help the energy level, for sure. But these guys are capable of the gear thing on their own, and shouldn't be relying on Lance to be the sole fuel source, nor do I think that they do. It's just something this team needs to focus on, and I think they probably will.

                  Again, this team is playing well. They have a better record this year than they did last year at this point. They actually *have* had some quality wins this year. I would say this year's team is a much more solid team... .they just need to rediscover the extra gears against the upper tiers. I think they will. I'm almost positive they've been talking about it as we've been doing the same. I would say that last year alone, Oladipo was a larger souce of energy than Lance, had those extra gears, and I think when Oladipo works out whatever he's going through, we'll see this team start to hit the high gears again.
                  Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 01-18-2019, 11:27 PM.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post

                    I mean, the gear-shifting thing isn't necessarily entirely on Lance Stephenson leaving, lol. I'm not sure how we landed there, but do we miss that? Maybe. I don't think Lance is the sole reason for this lack of extra gears. He could help the energy level, for sure. But these guys are capable of the gear thing on their own, and shouldn't be relying on Lance to be the sole fuel source, nor do I think that they do. It's just something this team needs to focus on, and I think they probably will.

                    Again, this team is playing well. They have a better record this year than they did last year at this point. They actually *have* had some quality wins this year. I would say this year's team is a much more solid team... .they just need to rediscover the extra gears against the upper tiers. I think they will. I'm almost positive they've been talking about it as we've been doing the same. I would say that last year alone, Oladipo was a larger souce of energy than Lance, had those extra gears, and I think when Oladipo works out whatever he's going through, we'll see this team start to hit the high gears again.
                    Dipo played fantastic last year. But will he ever again be that consistently great? Whether it's a health issue or the league has him figured out or perhaps he simply had a hot streak...it's anyone's guess at this point. But we know his game is predicated on athleticism. He doesn't have Paul George length, Granger shooting stroke, Miller shooting stroke or JO's size. Thems big shoes to fill and I'm not so sure he's up to it.

                    As for team lacking energy, none of the current players really have much of that. Dipo...Aaron Holiday my new favorite player...they have some. But Lance? That stuff flows through his veins and it is his greatest asset. I understand it doesn't makes sense to a number of people but how many times have you heard a coach or a team mate talk about Lance's energy? It's that energy that tends to stop the momentum that great teams catch while blowing a team out. Lance has that magic to bring to the floor to disrupt the opposition and he does it in a variety of ways. It not only works up the crowd, his confidence spreads to his team mates....and how many times have you heard the phrase "the NBA is a confidence game". Again, the coaches and players understand this. They understand what Tyreke has the capability to bring but they don't talk about Tyreke's energy like that. Because he doesn't have that much. He probably has better fundamentals although I would question that. But he certainly does not have the energy on both sides of the ball that Lance Stephenson brings to the floor.

                    At this point, I am pretty hopeful he will be a Pacer once again. Because it only makes sense. Even the dollars will follow him here and you know the NBA is about that.

                    Edit: And let me tell you about this team. Dipo is the only player on the team with the talent to compete with the best. And there's something wrong. The rest of the players are what I would call solid but no particularly excellent talent. Bogie you might think is a good example, but even he was held to single digits by both Philly and Boston. Down the stretch will he have star power? I'm sorry but he's not that good. Then there are the two young centers. Nice players actually. But not stars. Not yet at least.

                    So is this a good team. Yep. It's above average in the east. Not going to make much noise in the playoffs but they will beat the tar out of bad teams because they are indeed better. They just don't have what it takes to contend with the upper 4 in the east. Lance's energy helps a bit there and if a person has to ask why, I don't think they are going to understand his energy, what it does to the fans, to team mates, the opposition, how it throws a wrench in the mix...and then there are his real basketball talents on the fast break, post defense, his length, strength. He really brings a lot to the table toward beating good teams.
                    Last edited by BlueNGold; 01-19-2019, 12:25 AM.
                    Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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