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2019 TRADE DEADLINE RUMORS

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  • Originally posted by BillS View Post

    If he was saying we should have given up Leaf, Turner/Domas, AND picks for one of those guys he's still barking up the wrong tree. Again, no indication Hayward was even available, Conley wasn't available for anyone, and that's too much for Aaron Gordon or Jrue.
    Don't care for those players give me picks and maybe one or two young players and call it a day.

    Give me that over losing all this guy for nothing.
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    • Its not either just TJ Leaf or everyone that has value for a good starter. You should get what im saying. Just for example:

      1 round pick and cap space for Hayward. Hayward isnt exactly loved by Boston. Boston can have cap space for AD or whoever.

      Jrue Holiday for Sabonis and expirings. We get an all star point guard and they get a top tier prospect. Whats better 25 million for Jrue Holiday and losing sabonis or paying a backup C 25 million?

      Aaron Gordon for a first, Leaf or Holiday and expirings. Gun to my head id probably trade Holiday in that scenario.

      Two first rounders and expirings for Mike Conley.

      What im saying is we cant say we didnt have the pieces and we cant say that we can do better in free agency. We have to go for it at some point and doing it now gives us an idea of what we need for when Vic comes back.

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      • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

        Oh it sucks.
        How? Do you like our team winning games? I do.

        Literally picking him up for the minimum allows us to fix our rotations.

        Would I have preferred to pick up a young piece like Fultz instead? Yep. But would have I given up future draft picks for him? Nope.

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        • Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

          I don't get your point about selling. The players that people were talking about selling (Thad, Bojan, Collison, Joseph) were all acquired in a 12 month period with 1 first round pick and some cap space basically.

          You're saying the Pacers can't go out and do that again with 24 months to work with and at least one extra first round pick and some seconds and more cap space then they had the first time? Yes, it's a risk, but so is telling Oladipo that 32 year old Thad Young and 33 year old Darren Collison are key to his re-signing. These role players are either in their prime or on the very back edge of their prime and should not be considered assets for Oladipo's next contract. Bogdanovic might be the one player that is still around and contributing in 3-4 years, everybody else is probably gone.

          Also, the people who were talking about selling were saying to make everyone available, but it was never realistic that they would all be traded. Some of them would stay.

          As for your point about Ike, that makes my point exactly. Over 1000 views on that thread, and I saw 1-2 people upset that Ike was waived? There are going to be a couple Ike fans out there, but that doesn't mean the Pacer fanbase hates the move. The fact that more people have not commented suggests that it's the opposite, that most people thought it was just fine (or the couple jokers who just noted that it wasn't a very big move). That's not a failure of a board like this, it's healthy for a couple people to have a different opinion of a player than everyone else. There's no reason to generalize the board when a couple people don't like a particular move. Now if a bunch of the same people hate every single move the Pacers make, that's a different thing entirely, but I haven't seen all that much of that.
          Let's look at what actually happened in the last 3 days when it came to the trading of Expiring Contracts.

          The only Expirings that were traded that netted their Team a 1st round pick were the trade of Tobias Harris and the trade of Shumpert ( at the cost of adding $12 mil to the 2019-2020 Salary Cap ). It was far more riskier for the Pacers to make a similar offer to the Clippers given that we aren't in the same position as the Sixers is when it comes to contending ( if we had Dipo? maybe ).

          All the other trades involved getting a 2nd round pick. I would have been fine with trading DC or CoJo for a 2nd round pick ( only to open up minutes for Holiday ), but I don't think that we would have gotten much more than that.

          I think that many of you are severely overestimating what Expiring Contracts can get you on the Trade Market. The only value that our Expirings had was as filler to make a larger trade to net someone like Conley.
          Last edited by CableKC; 02-07-2019, 05:01 PM.
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          • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

            How? Do you like our team winning games? I do.

            Literally picking him up for the minimum allows us to fix our rotations.

            Would I have preferred to pick up a young piece like Fultz instead? Yep. But would have I given up future draft picks for him? Nope.
            Doesn't matter to me, they can win every game from now on and that is not going to make any difference they are still getting hosed on first round and are going to lose pieces for nothing.
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            • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Let's look at what actually happened in the last 3 days when it came to the trading of Expiring Contracts.

              The only Expirings that were traded that netted their Team a 1st round pick were the trade of Tobias Harris and the trade of Shumpert.

              All the other trades involved getting a 2nd round pick. I would have been fine with trading DC or CoJo for a 2nd round pick ( only to open up minutes for Holiday ), but I don't think that we would have gotten much more than that.

              I think that many of you are severely overestimating what Expiring Contracts can get you on the Trade Market. The only value that our Expirings had was as filler to make a larger trade to net someone like Conley.
              Yep, I think that's the biggest thing I learned about this trade deadline... expirings have lost value. All of the expirings I've seen traded are paired with either young stars or picks.

              I think we do well with our drafting, so I'd personally prefer we keep those.

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              • Its not either just TJ Leaf or everyone that has value for a good starter. You should get what im saying. Just for example:

                1 round pick and cap space for Hayward. Hayward isnt exactly loved by Boston. Boston can have cap space for AD or whoever.

                Jrue Holiday for Sabonis and expirings. We get an all star point guard and they get a top tier prospect. Whats better 25 million for Jrue Holiday and losing sabonis or paying a backup C 25 million?

                Aaron Gordon for a first, Leaf or Holiday and expirings. Gun to my head id probably trade Holiday in that scenario.

                Two first rounders and expirings for Mike Conley.

                What im saying is we cant say we didnt have the pieces and we cant say that we can do better in free agency. We have to go for it at some point and doing it now gives us an idea of what we need for when Vic comes back.

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                • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                  Yep, I think that's the biggest thing I learned about this trade deadline... expirings have lost value. All of the expirings I've seen traded are paired with either young stars or picks.

                  I think we do well with our drafting, so I'd personally prefer we keep those.
                  Not true, few expiring contracts got good stuff in return.
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                  • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                    Not true, few expiring contracts got good stuff in return.
                    Examples please?

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                    • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      Let's look at what actually happened in the last 3 days when it came to the trading of Expiring Contracts.

                      The only Expirings that were traded that netted their Team a 1st round pick were the trade of Tobias Harris and the trade of Shumpert ( at the cost of adding $12 mil to the 2019-2020 Salary Cap ). It was far more riskier for the Pacers to make a similar offer to the Clippers given that we aren't in the same position as the Sixers is when it comes to contending ( if we had Dipo? maybe ).

                      All the other trades involved getting a 2nd round pick. I would have been fine with trading DC or CoJo for a 2nd round pick ( only to open up minutes for Holiday ), but I don't think that we would have gotten much more than that.

                      I think that many of you are severely overestimating what Expiring Contracts can get you on the Trade Market. The only value that our Expirings had was as filler to make a larger trade to net someone like Conley.
                      Bogdanovic and Thad would have been the 2nd and 3rd best expiring deals traded if they had been dealt. They are better than Mitotic, but not as good as Harris. I think at least one of them would have returned a 1st.

                      I agree that Collision and Joseph don't get you a 1st or anywhere close.

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                      • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                        Examples please?
                        Harris expiring got young player plus a bunch of picks, Bogdanovic could have got Pacers a similar package.

                        Muscala expiring got Clippers Zubac a young prospect you can package later on.

                        Simmons (two years left) and two late picks got Orlando Fultz.

                        Mirotic: 4 second round picks.


                        I can keep going but you get the point.
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                        • I'm just now seeing that Fultz got traded to Orlando for Jonathan Simmons and OKC's second round pick. We should have been all in on this. SMH we missed out. Fultz could have easily stepped in and got minutes here. If he is not playing well then we could decline his option in a year. I am so disappointed.

                          FYI Fultz and Victor both went to the same High school at different times. They know eachother and Vic has spoke about him before. I'm sure Vic could have taken Fultz under his wing.

                          We are clearly lacking talent and we missed out on someone that was a top pick a year ago. Makes no sense to me. Fultz is still talented he just need to be in a place where he can figure it out. We will be kicking our self in the *** in a couple years when he develops into a 20+ ppg scorer.

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                          • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post
                            I'm just now seeing that Fultz got traded to Orlando for Jonathan Simmons and OKC's second round pick. We should have been all in on this. SMH we missed out. Fultz could have easily stepped in and got minutes here. If he is not playing well then we could decline his option in a year. I am so disappointed.

                            FYI Fultz and Victor both went to the same High school at different times. They know eachother and Vic has spoke about him before. I'm sure Vic could have taken Fultz under his wing.

                            We are clearly lacking talent and we missed out on someone that was a top pick a year ago. Makes no sense to me. Fultz is still talented he just need to be in a place where he can figure it out. We will be kicking our self in the *** in a couple years when he develops into a 20+ ppg scorer.
                            It was actually Simmons, a 1st from the Thunder and a 2nd from Cleveland. If it had only cost someone like Simmons and a 2nd I would have been all over it too, but Iím not sure about also giving up a 1st (even a late one) for a project.
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                            • Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post

                              It was actually Simmons, a 1st from the Thunder and a 2nd from Cleveland. If it had only cost someone like Simmons and a 2nd I would have been all over it too, but Iím not sure about also giving up a 1st (even a late one) for a project.
                              I would have easily gave up the first for him. whoever we draft in the 20's will probably not be that good. I'm thinking TJ leaf or someone like that. Look at it like this if we would have gave up Bogey a 1st and a 2nd for Fultz that is better than what Orlando gave up.

                              We lose Bogey for the year, but do we really want to pay him 20 million next year? He's going to get around the same amount as Middleton. We give up a second round pick. Who cares we just picked up one from the rockets. We do lose a first round pick but we are getting first round talent back. Plus picks in the 20's at best turn out to be role players and nothing more in the NBA.

                              If would have tried to offer collison or joseph instead of bogey, but if they didn't bite at that I would then have offered Bogey.

                              We should have made a play for Fultz

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                              • Once again the Pacers fail to surround their star player with an All-star caliber player at the trade deadline.

                                Those of you saying that it makes no sense to trade for an Allstar with Oladipo injured are just so short sighted. Oladipo should be ready to go for training camp. He might not have his explosiveness back at that time, but he will be playing basketball. I am banking on Dipo elevating his shooting so that he doesn't have to rely so much on the athletic explosiveness to be a great player. All last year we heard KP talking so much about having these expiring contracts and cap flexibility in order to be major players in the trade market or in Free Agency.

                                Now we have to rely on free agency and hope to get Kris Middleton, and also hope that we don't miss on extending Bogey should a player like Middleton not sign with us. Otherwise get ready for a whole new string of players on 1 and 2 year deals and leaving Victor Oladipo to carry the load alone AGAIN... don't be surprised if Dipo pulls a Paul George on us the 2020 off season cause we never got him an running mate.

                                Everyone is just so enamored with building this team on value contracts. Yet all I see is teams that have 2 or more all-stars have no problem attracting free agent role players who want to win, or getting guys after a contract buy out. All we heard for the past 6 months...I don't want to sign Aaron Gordon for 20 million and lose player XYZ" "I don't want to pay somebody like Mike Conley 30 million for the next 2 seasons while losing player XYZ" Its like you all have adopted Simon's mentality of frugality, like stockholm syndrome or something. Don't want to over pay for talent, rather just get guys on value contracts and just plug along hoping to get lucky. Yet we see examples every year of teams who get aggressive at the trade deadline or the draft and improve drastically. Pacers just got lapped by every team we were directly competing with, and many teams like the Clippers just cleared tons of cap space to sign free agents this off season, which will hamper our ability to do.

                                I wonder who's next in line to get the McDermott contract this offseason? Just awesome to be paying some scrub 7 million to chuck bricks.
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