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  • #16
    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    I'd pass even if a first was included. We are in Win Now Mode and a pick won't help. In addition, we have Holiday taking some Guard minutes and McBuckets in the SF rotation.
    Lee's is not only reliable from 3, but also is a better defender that a lot of our 2/3s, no? Although, am I wrong or is he really just a 2. He doesn't strike me as a SF.
    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

    -Emiliano Zapata

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DrFife View Post

      I don't really disagree, Cable, but have two comments: (1) An extra first would really help us for the future given that we'll be loading up on high-salary contracts over the next few years, and (2) I'm concerned about exaggerated expectations for Holiday. If we're actually entertaining the idea of him taking the reins at starting point guard next season, IMO he needs to spend all his minutes in that role; else, we risk developing a more talented Joe Young.

      Lee isn't my first choice, but if healthy, he can score from the outside and, moreover, help defending the perimeter, which I believe should be the top priority if the team makes any move.
      I can see absolutely no way we can honestly expect Holiday to start next season. Especially without getting consistent minutes of any sort this year.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

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      • #18
        Courtney Lee is pretty old. He's not the same guy he was a few years ago.
        If we are going to get a Knick, I'd want Enes Kanter. Not sure how that is doable, but he is an expiring. Let's trade Tyreke for him somehow.

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        • #19
          Lee has not been any good for a long time his time has passed.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #20
            I get that Lee is far from his zenith, but him plus a NYK 1st beats Tyreke six ways to Sunday.
            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

            -Emiliano Zapata

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            • #21
              Only player I would want from NY is Hardway Jr put him in place of Tyreke and he could be amazing.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #22
                No way I trade Tyreke Evans for Solo Hill. Tyreke's contract is over after this season, Hill's contract is 12.8 mil for next season, that's a huge hit in cap space this summer. I'd rather the Pacers just release Evans and swallow the financial hit than acquire Hill and have to be stuck with his contract for 1 extra year.

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                • #23
                  Somebody who I've always liked is Harrison Barnes. He is a little over paid though.

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                  • #24
                    We need to make a move. No more tinkering. Trade anyone outside of Dipo and Myles for a star (Kemba/Beal) or lottery pick(s). Fill in the rest with free agents next year. I'm even up for trading Dipo if it nets us A. Davis (not happening), but that's about it.

                    Sorry, but if we're not starting him NOW with Myles, trade Sabo to Phoenix or some other team that values style over defense. Otherwise, what's the point of paying him big money to come off the bench? Either that or someone pays him to start (a mistake if it's at center) and we lose him for nothing.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                      Somebody who I've always liked is Harrison Barnes. He is a little over paid though.
                      Big fan of Harrison Barnes & his contract only has 1 more season beyond this, but not sure what he offers us (apart from a few years younger) that Bogdanovic doesn't. I'd prefer if we take a risk to go really young with a guy like Porter Jr to put with Turner & Sabonis' timeline rather than Oladipo's.

                      Still for me though it's:
                      #1 - Bradley Beal
                      #2 - Kemba Walker

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                        Big fan of Harrison Barnes & his contract only has 1 more season beyond this, but not sure what he offers us (apart from a few years younger) that Bogdanovic doesn't. I'd prefer if we take a risk to go really young with a guy like Porter Jr to put with Turner & Sabonis' timeline rather than Oladipo's.

                        Still for me though it's:
                        #1 - Bradley Beal
                        #2 - Kemba Walker
                        What would you expect to have to give up to bring in one of these guys?
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by PaceBalls View Post
                          If we are going to get a Knick, I'd want Enes Kanter. Not sure how that is doable, but he is an expiring. Let's trade Tyreke for him somehow.
                          KANTER???!!! WTF would we acquire Kanter for!!!???

                          Now, I like Enes as a player - sure. He is very good (almost great) interior scorer & offensive rebounder.

                          BUT what he is not :

                          1) even a dollop of an adequate defender
                          2) suitable to play in two-center tandem units
                          3) happy with limited playing time (that's why he is currently bickering in Knicks. He wants to play, but as they are tanking and he is an expiring, the Knicks has no reason whatsoever to put him on the court).


                          If it was earlier disputed, the last few weeks have put to the bed any notion of whether Myles is important for us. We need him in starting unit.
                          Sabonis offers most of the things Enes does in just SLIGHTEST step below. Otoh, Sabonis also offers things which Enes doesn't offer at all - like great play-making and good-enough defense against any 2nd unit.
                          And even KOQ is better in injury replacement role than Kanter. I don't say Kyle is better, but he is more adaptable reserve player.

                          So, Kanter would be our 4th center!!! Yes, he could (given an opportunity) unleash an occasional offensive barrage to even win a game or two. But, we would have no reason to play him a single minute in 80 percent of our games (remember that we already struggling to find enough minutes to both Myles & Sabonis simultaneously).

                          How long would Enes be happy or even content with a run of DNP-CDs and just garbage time / miracle needed insertions once in 3 weeks... I'd put over/under at 1 weeks and pick under.


                          Otoh, Courtney Lee (still a knockdown shooter in open catch-n-shoot 3s, still a heady defender even if elite-level athleticism is 5 years gone... He would be a perfect reserve guard for 10-15 minutes a game and bring in exactly the qualities we currently lack. Game-changer??? Of course not. But highly useful fill-gap.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                            What would you expect to have to give up to bring in one of these guys?
                            Beal: Probably more than I'd want to. Beal would undoubtedly cost us Sabonis - Washington wanted 1 young upcoming guy, 2 x picks & some other talent/expiring deal.
                            Beal for Sabonis, Holiday, Collison, Evans + 2 x picks (I think another team could outbid this & since we haven't seen much of Holiday/Leaf I'm not sure what their value is)

                            C. Turner/O'Quinn
                            PF. Young/Leaf
                            SF. Bogdanovic/McDermott
                            SG. Beal/Sumner
                            PG. Oladipo/CoJo

                            Walker: I think you could potentially keep Sabonis if you took back some of their terrible contracts, Batum has the worse one & if that's what they said to get done I'd take my chances in free agency thanks. Biyombo ($17mil P.O.) Williams ($14mil 2019-20) are both contractsvthey probably don't want, but pick(s) will need to be included to get it there & Walker would need to commit.
                            Walker + Biyombo for DC, Evans, O'Quinn , Leaf + 2019 1st Round pick
                            Walker + Biyombo + Williams for CoJo, DC, Evans, O'Quinn + Leaf

                            C. Turner/Sabonis/Biyombo
                            PF. Young/Williams or Johnson
                            SF. Bogdanovic/McDermott
                            SG. Oladipo/Sumner
                            PG. Walker/CoJo or Holiday

                            Obviously both trades mess with our depth, Holiday is probably a guy that needs to be be included in Walker trade, but if Walker leaves that really hurts our future.
                            Last edited by festar35; 01-10-2019, 03:49 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                              Beal: Probably more than I'd want to. Beal would undoubtedly cost us Sabonis - Washington wanted 1 young upcoming guy, 2 x picks & some other talent/expiring deal.
                              Beal for Sabonis, Holiday, Collison, Evans + 2 x picks (I think another team could outbid this & since we haven't seen much of Holiday/Leaf I'm not sure what their value is)

                              C. Turner/O'Quinn
                              PF. Young/Leaf
                              SF. Bogdanovic/McDermott
                              SG. Beal/Sumner
                              PG. Oladipo/CoJo

                              Walker: I think you could potentially keep Sabonis if you took back some of their terrible contracts, Batum has the worse one & if that's what they said to get done I'd take my chances in free agency thanks. Biyombo ($17mil P.O.) Williams ($14mil 2019-20) are both contractsvthey probably don't want, but pick(s) will need to be included to get it there & Walker would need to commit.
                              Walker + Biyombo for DC, Evans, O'Quinn , Leaf + 2019 1st Round pick
                              Walker + Biyombo + Williams for CoJo, DC, Evans, O'Quinn + Leaf

                              C. Turner/Sabonis/Biyombo
                              PF. Young/Williams or Johnson
                              SF. Bogdanovic/McDermott
                              SG. Oladipo/Sumner
                              PG. Walker/CoJo or Holiday

                              Obviously both trades mess with our depth, Holiday is probably a guy that needs to be be included in Walker trade, but if Walker leaves that really hurts our future.
                              While you already are obviously cautious of advising such trades, you still obviously failed to think about their potential percussions for next summer. And those are UGLY!

                              If we f ex would take Kemba+Biyombo for a package of expirings...

                              And then retain Kemba over summer (to the tune of 28 mil)...


                              ...we would have about 105 million invested in a team of Kemba, Dipo, Myles, Dougie, Sabo & Holiday. (+ two guys who have never played in Ike & Alize).

                              We would have (per your opinion) have no incoming 1st-rounder either.

                              We would have a mid-level exception to add ONE player. (but just the small taxpayer version of it)

                              We could also of course re-sign Thad/CoJo/Bogie above the cap.

                              But doing that all in free agency would push our wage bill to approximate 150 million and we would still have only 10 players (12 if you count in Ike & Alize).

                              Even every veteran's minimum contract we would add to that would just deepen the luxury tax hell.


                              No - that trade would indeed mean that we would NOT be able to retain Kemba over the summer but just him as a half-season rental.


                              If we would go for Kemba and if that move would also necessitate taking one of those "bad contracts" (this is something I don't want to do but IF), then our offer should absolutely be spear-headed by either including Dipo or Myles. No other option retains any financial flexibility for us.
                              Last edited by PetPaima; 01-10-2019, 04:43 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DrFife View Post

                                I don't really disagree, Cable, but have two comments: (1) An extra first would really help us for the future given that we'll be loading up on high-salary contracts over the next few years, and (2) I'm concerned about exaggerated expectations for Holiday. If we're actually entertaining the idea of him taking the reins at starting point guard next season, IMO he needs to spend all his minutes in that role; else, we risk developing a more talented Joe Young.

                                Lee isn't my first choice, but if healthy, he can score from the outside and, moreover, help defending the perimeter, which I believe should be the top priority if the team makes any move.
                                Lee is owed $12.5 mil next season guaranteed. He will eat into whatever Salary Cap that we have. Unless we decide to move on from Bojan ( who I think will be expensive ) and want to run with a Courtney Lee / McBuckets SF rotation, I'd pass.
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