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Our record vs playoff caliber teams is worse that I thought

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  • Our record vs playoff caliber teams is worse that I thought

    I've been saying that I was concerned that our record was somewhat skewed because I questioned how we were doing vs teams above .500%

    Well according to NBA radio today they stated we had the 22nd worst record in the league vs teams with winning records.

    Right our our seasonal record is

    19 - 3 vs sub .500 teams

    and a paltry

    4 - 9 vs teams above .500

    I haven't dug deeper yet but I also wonder in those 9 losses how many of them were by double digit losses.

    I mean at the end of the day you have to beat the bad teams to have a winning record but, wow, to be that bad vs. above.500 teams is more than a little concerning. It also bothers me that we have only played above .500 teams 13 times.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    If it makes you feel any better, the Warriors are 8-11 against .500 and above. The Pacers - 7-10.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
      .......against .500 and above. The Pacers - 7-10.
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      And from Pecks stats....
      4 - 9 vs teams above .500

      ?

      In either case not good. Two are against Toronto and at least another to Portland who the Pacers never beat


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      • #4
        This is exactly why I don't believe we are as good as our record indicates. Now I'm on not saying we shouldn't have the record we have right now. I'm saying the winning percentage as compared to other teams is not at all a good indication where we stand vis-a-vis other teams. The talent difference between teams in the NBA in general is immense.
        Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by owl View Post
          And from Pecks stats....
          4 - 9 vs teams above .500
          So, that means against teams @ .500 - the Pacers are 3-1.

          And I take these with a grain of salt anyway. We beat Atlanta twice. Which might not sound like much.. But, Atlanta was on a 5-2 run at that point. The 2 losses - to the Pacers.
          Last edited by PacerDude; 01-08-2019, 06:31 PM.

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          • #6
            The question isn't if the Pacers are an above average team in the EC. The question is just how far from contending they are and apparently it is a long, long way.
            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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            • #7
              Well you have to realize the NBA officiating is very corrupt, political and biased. So against very good or elite teams, the calls are really made based on who has the most pull with ESPN. Or who the league covets more. We don't have a Giannis, Lebron or Anthony Davis. Er go, against good teams it'll be a parade to the free throw line, or our players will not get certain calls down the gut of a game. It is estimated that NBA referees cost most teams between 3 and 4 games per season. Some more than that. So stats about good teams vs. bad teams are always going to be skewed until the NBA does something about it's beyond atrocious officiating.

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              • #8
                I will venture a guess that most teams are worse against the top teams than they are against worse teams. #RocketScience
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • #9
                  Yep, after a couple of 7-game winning streaks over Atlantas and Washingtons of the League the overall record will adjust in coming month. Our third place is very shaky, 1st in defensive rating is laughable. We have no defensive cornerstone and Dipo has regressed offensively this year.

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                  • #10
                    There's GOT to be a negative about having the 4th best record in the NBA! But what can it be? Think... think... think...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by siomi View Post
                      Yep, after a couple of 7-game winning streaks over Atlantas and Washingtons of the League the overall record will adjust in coming month. Our third place is very shaky, 1st in defensive rating is laughable. We have no defensive cornerstone and Dipo has regressed offensively this year.
                      1st in defensive rating is laughable? According to you and you only
                      Lifelong pacers fan

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                      • #12
                        It should be taken into account when looking at season win totals and races for seeds, but I'm not too worried about it. Here's why:

                        First, the number of games. After tonight, the Pacers will be at the halfway point having played 14 games against .500 or better teams (as of the standings this morning). In the second half, they play 17 of those games. That's not a massive swing.

                        Now, as I outlined in my schedule thread a week or so ago, the Pacers still have all 8 games against the current top 4 Western Conference seeds on their remaining schedule. That appears bad right now, although I'd rather play OKC or the Clippers rather than Houston again for example.

                        After tonight, the Pacers will have also played 19 home games to 22 road games. A small difference but a notable one.

                        Let's say they lose tonight. They will then be on pace for 54 wins. There's a reason the projection systems have them in the 51-52 win range because the schedule does get a little harder.

                        But as for looking towards the playoffs and playing against good teams, I wouldn't sweat that too much. Most of those games good and bad were very early in the season, I don't think we'll be able to take much out from them when looking forward to April.

                        As far as your question Peck, 3 of the 4 wins were by double digits (at SA, Mil, at Phi). 1 win was by single digits (Bos). 5 of the losses were by double digits (at Mil, Por, at Hou, SA, at Tor) and 4 of the losses were by single digits (Hou, Phi, at LAL, at Tor).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                          The question isn't if the Pacers are an above average team in the EC. The question is just how far from contending they are and apparently it is a long, long way.
                          We don't "feel" like a contending team to me right now. That could change. Could just be a short funk. Hope it does. But my confidence is not that strong right now. I agree with your assessment - good EC team, but not an elite EC team with legit finals aspirations. Hoping that I feel differently about it in a week or two. Although tonight in Beantown isn't helping any.
                          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                          -Emiliano Zapata

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                            We don't "feel" like a contending team to me right now. That could change. Could just be a short funk. Hope it does. But my confidence is not that strong right now. I agree with your assessment - good EC team, but not an elite EC team with legit finals aspirations. Hoping that I feel differently about it in a week or two. Although tonight in Beantown isn't helping any.
                            This Pacer team is extremely likable. Their chemistry seems OK. We have a good to great player in Dipo. We have a couple promising young centers who are both effective and probably above average starters in the NBA. We have a versatile big wing in Thad Young who is starting quality. We have another starting quality player in Bojan. We have Aaron Holiday who might turn out to be very good. There's some decent talent. But teams like Toronto and Boston are man-for-man better players. Kyrie is better than any Pacer easily. Boston is sickeningly talented. Kawhi is even better than Kyrie...so that should tell you something. The Raptors are loaded with talent too. Where we might have 3 strong players, they have 6 or 7 of them and the general talent level is higher. It's really not even close. The Pacers will need another era to make real noise. Dipo is a nice player but he's too small to really dominate and his game is predicated on athleticism and he's got a knee issue. This thing just isn't going anywhere. We just need to keep adding pieces and someone smart needs to do that.
                            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                            • #15
                              I am not overly concerned. 13 road victories is impressive. 13 - 9 is an impressive road record. Only the Raptors have more.

                              Lets see we are

                              0-2 against the Raptors
                              1-1 against the Celtics
                              1-1 against the Bucks
                              1-1 against the Sixers.

                              Of the ten losses to above .500 teams 5 have been by 10 or more and 5 by less than 10 pts.

                              I think we are right where I expected us. I predicted 54 wins and they are on pace and I am not expecting any huge dropoff coming up. Before last night the Pacers had the best record in the NBA since December 1.

                              Are we serious championship contenders? No. I am expecting the Celtics and Raptors to finish ahead of us in the east and probably the Bucks also, but a 4th place finish or 5th would be good for this team

                              Most objective NBA followers believe the Pacers are over achieving. The Pacers are extremely well coached, play together, play the right way and if they finish the season with 53-55 wins, and get into the second round of the playoffs, - I am not expecting more than that

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