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    Well this could have been a trap game with this being the first game back from a four game road trip. Offense not so great but defense made up for it. Probably be another two
    weeks till we see Victor. Pacers 5-4 w/o VO. Much better than last year without Victor
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  • #2
    Good win for the Pavers. Still hate those ugly gray uniforms.

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    • #3
      Half of the Bulls team will need the long ice bath after today's encounter with Domas. Keeping him off the offensive glass, trying to get an offensive rebound against him, running into him on the screens... Not playing Domas 30+ minutes is a crime against basketball fans.
      Ex member of PD - Ghost. Was here when certain Šarūnas Jasikevičius picked the wrong team to play for. Sadly, he was a bad fit.

      My motto: "Do or die".

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      • #4
        How about that Myles Turner, eh?

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        • #5
          Twin towers worked this time.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #6
            Tyreke has gotten progressively worse and worse as the season moves along.
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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            • #7
              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              Tyreke has gotten progressively worse and worse as the season moves along.
              At least we have a $12mil expiring deal to use once December 15th hits.

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              • #8
                I’m so happy to see myles and sabonis finish the game together. That should happen way more often

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                • #9
                  Myles averaging 10.5 rebounds over the last 4 games


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Banta View Post
                    Myles averaging 10.5 rebounds over the last 4 games
                    Correct.

                    It's also important to note that ever since Dipo went down in that Atlanta game (counting that game since Dipo only played 5 minutes then), Myles has been averaging 12.7 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 3.2 BPG and 2.3 APG. Losing Dipo opened up some opportunities for the rest of our roster and Myles is one of the players taking advantage of it (along with Domas, Bojan and Aaron).
                    People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      Tyreke has gotten progressively worse and worse as the season moves along.
                      I thought this was actually an improvement from recent games, not that it is saying a whole lot. I thought he was making the right decisions today, just poorly executed.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                        I thought this was actually an improvement from recent games, not that it is saying a whole lot. I thought he was making the right decisions today, just poorly executed.
                        He at least tried to pass when he drove to the rim (even if the results weren't good). Let's hope that the Lakers game was really rock-bottom and doesn't happen again.
                        Last edited by Nuntius; 12-05-2018, 02:14 AM.
                        People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                        • #13
                          Funky game, but glad to get the W, as we all are. Anyone else notice the unusual vibe from Domas today? At least on TV, he seemed notably lower in energy and enthusiasm (specifically in his body language) - almost like he was sick. Maybe it was just lingering injury.

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                          • #14
                            So can we officially say that the T.J. Leaf era is over? Not that there ever was an era. But he now is being relegated to DNP-CD status while we roll out Thad Young for 30 min. a game and are still using Bogdanovic on occasion in that role.

                            It was nice to see Nate finish with Myles & Domas.

                            I am not going to say it yet but we might be getting close to saying that Myles is having a full metal jacket moment where he is born again hard. But we've seen him have periods of good play last year to only see it wither away after a week or two. However we are now on almost a good solid two weeks of good play. 18 points 11 rebounds and 5 blocks? I'll take that each and every day and do so with a smile.

                            I still am going to be very interested in seeing how Nate handles the rotations when Victor returns. Holiday certainly has come back to earth but he, IMO, is still playing well enough to merit getting minutes if for no other reason i do not want next season to be the first time he gets any minutes.

                            To me the criminal misuse of Kyle O'Quinn is the only real beef I have at the moment.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              What an enjoyable game. I expected this to be a trap game and it kinda was for a team but we pulled it through. I'm very happy that the team proved me wrong.

                              The 5 players that closed out the game (DC, CoJo, Bojan, Domas, Myles) all deserve credit for the win. They all played crucial roles so let me say a couple of things about them:

                              DC: That was a heck of a game by DC. He was incredibly efficient (23 points on 8 shots). The fact that he didn't have to defend a big offensive threat helped him reserve energy for the offensive end and he was great. In general, DC is having a resurgence lately. That's very good to see. He also pitched in with some long defensive rebounds by just going to the ball faster than the opposition. He got an important board down the stretch that Wendell Carter Jr. could potentially have gotten to.

                              Myles: I'm very, very encouraged by this game and I'll tell you why. We not only allowed Myles to take the most shots on the team (something that I don't think has ever happened in his career so far) but we allowed him to play through his mistakes and misses. I mentioned that in the Sacramento post-game thread but we seemed to always go away from Myles the moment that he missed a shot. Myles started off the game shooting great and he was shooting something like 5/8 in the first half. I didn't expect that to continue in the second half and I said so during the game thread. But I was proven wrong and I'm extremely happy about it. The team kept looking for Myles and we finally gave him the chance to play through his misses. And he rewarded us for that because when we really needed a bucket he hit a big one (the bucket that made the score 85-90 with 1:17 to go). His rebounding was very solid once again (as it has been ever since Dipo went down and we needed Myles to actually grab the boards instead of just block out) and his defense was just amazing. Very solid performance overall but I'm more excited about the way that Nate trusted both Myles and the big lineup down the stretch. Those are great signs.

                              Bojan: Once again, a very consistent offensive player. When was the last time that he scored less than 10 points? It was more than a month ago against that very same Bulls team. He has been averaging 17.4 PPG after that game. He knows how to attack mismatches. He will punish smaller players in the post and he will take bigs off the dribble and drive on them. He always keeps his body on balance and he plays at a speed that throws off opponents.

                              Domas: I don't think that Domas is 100% yet. His turnovers in the past two games are uncharacteristic of him and it looks like his ankle is still bothering him. Still, he fought very hard out there and deserved to close out the game. His defense on Lauri was actually very good. That's why Nate trusted him down the stretch with this assignments. Lauri only made 2 shots against Domas and one of them was a putback with 15 seconds to go. He did hit one 3 when Domas went to help on a Justin Holiday drive (he shouldn't have tried to help there, he should have trusted Bojan and stayed home) but other than that one particular play he did a very fine job. Plus, even when Domas is not 100% he still makes our team better.

                              CoJo: CoJo did CoJo stuff. He once again quarterbacked our defense. Lavine missed all 5 of his shots in the 4th quarter. I don't know if there's anything else to say about CoJo. He did what he always does and that's the reason why he's closing out most of our games.

                              Now, let me talk about two more things. Two things that were an integral part of why we won:

                              1) The big lineup. They played a total of 16 minutes and 22 seconds tonight. This was the most minutes that they have ever played together. During those minutes we outscored the Bulls 31 to 28. That differential would have been bigger if Justin Holiday didn't hit a meaningless 3 in the last seconds of the game or if I decided to cheat a bit and count DC's second FT that tied the game at 67-67 (I don't count it since Myles went to the bench in between the 1st and 2nd FT so I only count the 1st).

                              This lineup played together in three different stretches. The first stretch they played together was from the 4:44 mark of the first quarter until its end. The game was tied at 12-12 when we brought Domas in and by the end of the quarter we were 23 to 21. We were already in a 6-0 run when Domas entered the game (with 2 Myles baskets and one Reke layup that tied up the game) and this lineup kept our momentum going and went on a 9-0 run of its own to make it 12-21 with 2:25 to go (on a Myles putback). This lineup didn't finish the quarter well. It had a bad final minute when Aaron allowed a straight-line drive to Cameron Payne for the and-1 (which made it 19-23) and then Parker hit a tough shot with 2 seconds remaining.

                              The second stretch they played together was in the middle of the third quarter. Domas came in for Thad at the 4:53 mark. We weren't playing that well in the 2 minutes prior to that change. We went up 55-58 with 7:08 remaining (on a Thad Young layup) and the Bulls had gone on a 8-3 run with 3 straight baskets (2 Markkanen 3s and 1 Wendel Carter Jr). Domas came in at that point of the game and he never came out. He played almost 17 minutes straight. In the 3 minutes and 4 seconds stretch that followed we only allowed 4 points (2 baskets, both Lavine drives). We only scored 5 points in that stretch (6 if I was to cheat and count the second DC FT) but we did stop them from scoring and swinged the momentum in our favor.

                              The third stretch was the final 6 minutes and 34 seconds of the game. We treated water in that stretch. Myles came in the game when the score 75-81 and as we all know the game ended 90-96. That's a 15-15 stretch. We never got a big separation from the Bulls but we also were never in real danger either. Our lead dipped to 3 points only twice and we converted in our next possession both times (one with DC and one with Myles).

                              So, the big lineup helped us build a small lead in the first, changed the momentum in our favor in the third and held the lead in the fourth. It was an integral part of our win tonight.

                              2) Nate. I've been very critical of Nate a number of times this season. I've often suggested that he should be fired because he refuses to play our best players enough and he doesn't give a lot of of time to some lineups that I believe that are key for our future. But Nate tonight was very, very good. He coached an excellent game. He recognized that our big lineup matched up very well against Chicago and he gave them the most minutes they've ever played together. He chose the best possible lineup to close out the game. He trusted Myles through his misses and allowed him to still be aggressive and he rewarded him with a big basket down the stretch. I was very impressed as I didn't expect us to go to the big lineup as much as we did or to trust Myles as much as we did. Nate (along with the team as a whole) proved me wrong tonight and they deserve credit for it. Let's hope that this trust on the big lineup and on Myles are a thing to come. If we keep trusting our young talent, we can do great things.
                              People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

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