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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by imawhat View Post

    Agreed with the OP on offense, but Bogi is a clutch defender and needs to be out there.
    I'm a big Bogey fan. And I really like his defense. So it's difficult for me to make this recommendation.

    But, heck, Toronto traded their star to the Spurs for being unclutch. Surely we can simply let these two guys come off the bench.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #17
      I trust Dipo, Domas, Thad,CoJo and Tyreke in that order at winning time. So, put them on the floor.

      I suspect O'Quinn is worthy of trust, but he isn't given enough opportunities. I would have him playing 15-20 minutes and play bigger more often. Find out if he's really good at winning time.

      I don't think Collison, Bojan and Turner are bad, but they just aren't that good at winning time. If they were surgeons would you trust any of them? NO!!!

      McBrickets should be in the locker room the entire 4th quarter until Nate proves he can design an offense that leverages that talent.

      The other players are just too young to be in there but they do need given the opportunity to earn trust.
      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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      • #18
        We need a point guard upgrade. This team won't go very far without one.

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        • #19
          it should be noted that last year Bogdanovic had a .709 TS% in clutch situations (5 points or less in the final 5 minutes) and Collison had a .612 in those situations. Collison actually had a higher usage rate at that point of the game than earlier while Bogdanovic's was well down. Those were the two highest TS% on the team though in those situations. Thad Young was easily the worst with a .342, and Myles was also bad with a .431.

          Turner's individual defense rating was so good in those sitautions that he actually still led the team in net rating (not my favorite stat). Sabonis actually led the regulars in offensive rating but was far enough down in defensive rating that he was only 5th on the team in net rating.

          So far this year, the same trends are happening. Thad and Turner are by far the worst in TS% in those situations. Turner's offensive rating has been awful at that time, but his defensive rating is so much better than any other Pacer that he still has been good. Bogdanovic actually leads in net rating followed by Turner. And Oladipo still has an amazing .836 TS% despite a 46 percent usage rate during that time!

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          • #20
            We've got a team of guys that can't shoot FTs. Or get to the line.

            They're 28th in FT % at 70%. Portland leads at 86%. And of the guys that get minutes, our 2 best FT shooters are - Domas & Myles. Really ??

            They're 26th in FTs per game with 20. 5 teams average over 29.

            Get to the line a little more often and make a few more of them -- it might be a different ballgame in the last minute or so.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              No, Myles Turner is not on this list. We'll exclude him from the conversation since Domas finished last night against Houston.

              I'm talking about Collison and Bogdonavich, who both finished last night. They performed in a way that has been generally characteristic of them, including in the playoffs last year (with the exception of one great Bogey game and one clutch shot from Collison).

              Last night Bogey missed a wide open three under two minutes that was a huge difference maker. Collison missed a free throw with 5 seconds left. Again, I'm not relying on this small sample. I think it's reflective of a larger body of work.

              Give me Cojo over Collison and Reke over Bogey.

              You say, well, let's start these two guys and finish with someone else if needed. The problem is that these two non-clutch players will play really well all season along (except perhaps with a minute or two left) and then they finish games in the playoffs until Nate figures it out and makes substitions. Then the problem is that the lineup of Cojo/Dipo/Reke/Thad/Center has not had enough playing time together. We saw this happen last year when Domas got subbed for Turner. That offensive unit just wasn't all that crisp.

              This is a strategic error that needs to be addressed now. Last year we addressed it too late. I want to practice and perfect the unit that has the most clutch players on our team. The great performances when it doesn't matter is fool's gold.
              good topic, but both DC and Boggie have proven to be clutch, many times

              I do like to play Cojo when the game is close (defense over dc) but Im cool with Boggie at crucnh time. Reke is a great pick up. no doubt but he hasnt enough time to be clutch for us yet
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                We need a point guard upgrade. This team won't go very far without one.
                I think we are fine. We've been saying that for like 20 years.
                Lifelong pacers fan

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                  We need a point guard upgrade. This team won't go very far without one.
                  You overvalue the PG position.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                    You overvalue the PG position.

                    You undervalue it. In today's NBA, the top teams have B+ or above point guards. We either need to get a new PG or move Oladipo to the PG and add a shooting guard.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Grimp View Post


                      You undervalue it. In today's NBA, the top teams have B+ or above point guards. We either need to get a new PG or move Oladipo to the PG and add a shooting guard.
                      Yet, last year the Cavs went to the Finals with George Hill who was at best on par with Collison last season. The PG position is no more important than any other position. Just because most of the top teams have better PGs than us is more circumstance than anything.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                        Yet, last year the Cavs went to the Finals with George Hill who was at best on par with Collison last season. The PG position is no more important than any other position. Just because most of the top teams have better PGs than us is more circumstance than anything.
                        To be fair, the offense rolls through Lebron as though he's the PG. It's why Kyrie left.

                        So Leflop is the point forward. Something we don't have. Our offense rolls through Vic. It's Collison's job to be a damn good spot up shooter. Thad to play cleanup. And Myles/Domas to set awesome screen and roll or pop based on match ups.

                        We have no forward that matches the ability to roll an offense through. Bogey is okay. But that's our weakness.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                          Yet, last year the Cavs went to the Finals with George Hill who was at best on par with Collison last season. The PG position is no more important than any other position. Just because most of the top teams have better PGs than us is more circumstance than anything.
                          They had Lebron James though. Victor is good but he's no Lebron. Their bodies are built way different, and both are officiated differently. Also if you remember, Lebron left Cleveland for the very reason that they didn't provide him with the requisite parts he needed.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Grimp View Post

                            Also if you remember, Lebron left Cleveland for the very reason that they didn't provide him with the requisite parts he needed.
                            Which was also mostly Lebrons own fault.

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                            • #29
                              CoJo, VO, Evans, Turner, Sabonis lineups are coming. Seems inevitable by the time we hit the playoffs.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                                CoJo, VO, Evans, Turner, Sabonis lineups are coming. Seems inevitable by the time we hit the playoffs.


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                                Every season I have an ideal lineup, and that's the one I'm most looking forward to this season. It's got everything you need: perimeter and rim defense, rebounding, passing, shooting, playmaking, intelligence, size, speed, power, IQ, toughness, etc. etc.

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