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  • Montieth: Turner provides hidden subplot to winning

    https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/turn...ubplot-winning

    Bold face for emphasis.

    He was trying, seriously trying, but Myles Turner couldn't quite contain his emotions. The wadded towel he held in front of his mouth served as a prop to muffle the words he surely wanted to speak, but his facial expression and body language spoke for him.

    He wasn't happy. The smile? It wasn't the kind that reflects pleasure, but serves as a polite mask for surprise and disappointment.

    The clock was winding down on the Pacers-Celtics matchup on Saturday, the Pacers desperately trying to pull out their toughest challenge of the season's first 10 games. Turner had re-entered the game for Domantas Sabonis at the 4:27 mark, seemingly for the duration, but after just 77 ticks of the game clock, with 3:10 left, he was pulled back to the bench in favor of Sabonis at a dead ball.

    Turner's facial expression betrayed his feelings as he walked to the bench, enough so that sideline reporter Pat Boylan mentioned it on the radio broadcast. He sat down, held that towel in front of his mouth with both hands clenched in front of his face, forced that slight smile and rocked back and forth a while to compose himself.

    Asked afterward if he had been surprised to be pulled, Turner hesitated.

    "Hmmmmm," he said, then paused a few more seconds.

    "I mean...Yeah."


    A nearly infinite number of ingredients go into the stew of a winning basketball team, a bona-fide team with intangibles that supplement its box scores on nights when shots aren't dropping. Turner's reaction on Saturday actually, his reaction to his reaction was one that makes the Pacers what they are in the moment, a team with a unique culture that's been building and brewing since the roster was reorganized heading into last season.

    Victor Oladipo's clutch shooting was the story of last week, when they won three games in four nights, two on the road and then the adrenaline-infused 102-101 victory over Boston on Saturday. But Turner's professional comportment was a subplot, missed by most observers but meaningful just the same.

    He could have pouted on the bench, could have sat there sullenly while Oladipo was saving the day in front of him, could have escaped from the locker room afterward without a word to anyone.

    He didn't do any of that, but could have been forgiven if he had.

    He's the Pacers' starting center. He has a generous four-year contract extension sitting in his back pocket, ready to kick in next season. He's coming off a dedicated summer that brought noticeable improvements to his game. He's followed McMillan's directive to focus on defense and rebounding more than scoring. He had played superbly in Chicago the previous night, when he scored 18 points on 70 percent shooting and matched his career-high with six blocked shots, including one that snuffed out Chicago's desperate hope to win the game at the final buzzer.

    One might think all of that would have been enough to be granted the privilege of finishing the game against the Celtics, but it wasn't. One of McMillan's coaching strengths is that he's willing to bruise egos and finish games with whomever he believes brings the best chance to win. Rarely do all five starters finish what they started. Oladipo is the only constant.

    Wednesday in New York, Darren Collison was on the bench for most of the closing run, although he replaced Thaddeus Young with 6.7 seconds left. Friday in Chicago, Young was on the bench and Collison hit the game-winning shot with 18.5 seconds left. Saturday, Turner was on the bench down the stretch, although Cory Joseph replaced Collison with 29.2 seconds left.

    "Coaching in the flow of the game, listening to my assistants," McMillan said. "We're talking about combinations that are working and what players have somewhat of a rhythm and you make substitutions accordingly. Sometimes that works for you and sometimes it doesn't."

    Although Turner generally played well against the Celtics, finishing with 12 points off just seven field goal attempts and six rebounds in his 28 minutes, he did contribute to his own demise.

    Upon re-entering the game with 4:27 left, he was called for a double dribble while driving to the basket. He then got stuck in no-man's land while defending a pick-and-roll that resulted in Al Horford's driving dunk for the Celtics, and then was called for a moving pick while screening for Oladipo on the perimeter. He missed a 21-foot shot on the Pacers' next possession, but by then Sabonis already was waiting at the scorer's table to check in.

    It's what happened from that point forward that spoke loudest on Turner's behalf. Once he had processed the unexpected call to the bench, he gradually worked his way into cheerleader mode. Watch the televised replay, and you can see the transformation in the background.

    Six seconds after Turner had been subbed out, Oladipo hit a 3-pointer. Turner, still clutching the towel in front of his face, clapped quietly a few times then sat back in his chair.

    As Oladipo fired a 3-pointer on the Pacers' next possession, Turner holding the towel in his right hand now - stood up in anticipation of another big shot, showed his disappointment over the miss, and sat down again.

    When Bogdanovic hit a 3-pointer on the next possession, right in front of the Pacers bench, Turner stood and thrust his arms into the air. By then the towel had been discarded.

    By the time Oladipo took a step-back jumper with a foot on the 3-point line with 52.1 seconds left, Turner was standing on the end of the court with a few of his teammates. He put his hands on TJ Leaf's shoulder as the shot went up, dropped his head as he watched it approach the rim as if urging it to go in, and sighed with relief when it did.

    When Oladipo hit two foul shots with 29.2 seconds left, Turner, standing along with the rest of his teammates, clapped.

    When Oladipo went up for the game-winner with 3.4 ticks left, Turner was standing in the background, bending over at the waist with his arms spread wide. After the ball dropped through the net, he turned to his right, walked a few steps and grabbed a young boy who appeared to be a random fan, and lifted him into the air.

    And, finally, when Oladipo deflected Gordon Hayward's inbound pass on the game's final possession, took Young's pass and threw the ball into the air, it was Turner who met Oladipo at the foul line in front of the Pacers' bench with a perfectly-timed leaping chest bump.

    It had been a brisk and dramatic emotional conversion, from disappointment to exultation to objective examination.

    "It's part of the game," he said back in the locker room. "Coach goes with what he feels is working. It's not my job to sit back and ***** and complain.

    "Just because I get subbed out, I'm not going to hope for guys not to do well. That's not the way I'm built and that's not the way this team is built."
    Great story.
    Now, let the debate begin.
    Last edited by docpaul; 11-04-2018, 09:33 PM.

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    Locker room full of pros. That's all that needs to be said. Feels good.


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    • #3
      I wonder if in 3-4 years after Myles is gone if Montieth will make fun of him like he did Roy Hibbert last night on the overtime call in show? When Roy was a Pacer Mark was all about making sure we all knew how good of a person he was and then as soon as he was out the door it was all about how Roy Hibbert was a drag on the team. Now last night both he and Eddie White were comparing Myles to Roy and snickering about Roy and how he would have pouted and not joined the team if he were pulled. All I can say is this, I turned on Roy the moment he did the selfish dudes speech. I thought that was just way beyond what he should have done and made public what should have been very private. However even I think last nights kicking Roy while he is down and out of the NBA is bush league. I sit near the bench, I watch the bench all the time and I used to watch it very closely back then and I can tell you that sure Roy would sometime sulk on the bench but I never EVER saw Roy sit while something was happening on the floor. Roy always cheered his team mates, in fact I always thought he was over demonstrative in his cheering but no big deal.

      I just think it was crap for two members of the Pacers PR staff to pick on a guy who is not even in the league anymore and I don't make it a habbit of defending Roy Hibbert.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        Now do it more often to see how happy he is going to be.

        Reality is that neither him or Sabonis are going to be happy to sit on the bench at the end of games, tick tock tick tock...
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Now do it more often to see how happy he is going to be.

          Reality is that neither him or Sabonis are going to be happy to sit on the bench at the end of games, tick tock tick tock...
          I really like the fact McMillan knows exactly where these guys are in their development and their strengths. He is basically saying "dude, focus on defense because you are limited offensively". You know this is true because he's not stressing running plays for Myles. He knows the deal. Thank you Nate.

          He knows Sabonis is breaking out this year. He sees the jump in his play. So, he has Sabonis in the game against the best team in the East to finish them off.

          Also, I wonder if people noticed this...he put in CoJo, Sabonis and Tyreke with Dipo and Turner. That happened when the Celtics were looking to dominate in the beginning. That group put a stop to their run and I think that Nate believes that his best set of 5 to put on the floor considering both offense and defense.

          ...oh and before anyone says he doesn't like playing Sabo and Myles together. He really doesn't. He doesnt' think that's the future. But he knows it can be better depending on the situation.

          Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Now do it more often to see how happy he is going to be.

            Reality is that neither him or Sabonis are going to be happy to sit on the bench at the end of games, tick tock tick tock...
            I think they are both there now. Sabonis does not like being taken out either. Nate's got a real issue on his hands.
            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

              I really like the fact McMillan knows exactly where these guys are in their development and their strengths. He is basically saying "dude, focus on defense because you are limited offensively". You know this is true because he's not stressing running plays for Myles. He knows the deal. Thank you Nate.

              He knows Sabonis is breaking out this year. He sees the jump in his play. So, he has Sabonis in the game against the best team in the East to finish them off.

              Also, I wonder if people noticed this...he put in CoJo, Sabonis and Tyreke with Dipo and Turner. That happened when the Celtics were looking to dominate in the beginning. That group put a stop to their run and I think that Nate believes that his best set of 5 to put on the floor considering both offense and defense.

              ...oh and before anyone says he doesn't like playing Sabo and Myles together. He really doesn't. He doesnt' think that's the future. But he knows it can be better depending on the situation.
              I was really hoping that lineup was going to close last night, but alas. I'm not sure why DC got back into the game over CoJo. Kyrie doesn't hit both of those 3's with Corey on him IMO. We'll see how it all ends up breaking, but like you I've noticed that Nate has been looking to the Domas/Turner combo the past few games to stop runs even if their minutes together are still limited.


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              • #8
                I think Myles played very well last night for the most part so I can definitely see his frustration in being pulled after 77 seconds of play especially when Thad had been freaking terible. I guess the bizarre thing for me is that when you consider every play we run for Thad is a post up, we don't think those would go better if swapped for Domas? I guess that just seems like an obvious thing to me, but who knows.

                I like Thad's defensive contributions so it's definitely not a cut and dry situation. Pacers have a lot of talented guys. I don't think it's a ticking time bomb this seaosn, but likely will have to be addressed in the offseason. Vic is too good of a leader for me to worry about it, and winning will cure a lot of those little issues.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                  I think they are both there now. Sabonis does not like being taken out either. Nate's got a real issue on his hands.
                  This is Hill/DC all over again, then DC asked for a trade and that was it.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                    He could have pouted on the bench, could have sat there sullenly while Oladipo was saving the day in front of him, could have escaped from the locker room afterward without a word to anyone.
                    This is why i said multiple times that Myles is the best thing happened to Sabonis, although i'm 100% Sabonis fan. I still remember all the Tinsley/Saras drama and that poisonous team.
                    Being a little frustrated after taking out of the game is a good thing. The real player should be (frustrated). It adds to competitiveness and improvement if it (frustration) is kept on the healthy level.
                    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeS View Post

                      This is why i said multiple times that Myles is the best thing happened to Sabonis, although i'm 100% Sabonis fan. I still remember all the Tinsley/Saras drama and that poisonous team.
                      Being a little frustrated after taking out of the game is a good thing. The real player should be (frustrated). It adds to competitiveness and improvement if it (frustration) is kept on the healthy level.
                      Agreed. And that's the good thing. The players do not see this as a Myles vs Domas debate like this forum does.
                      People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
                      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                      • #12
                        Love what Myles Turner brings as a teammate, but ultimately the way we play this game Domantas seems to fit in better.

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                        • #13
                          I think they have shown this year that they have the potential to play together. The Pacer's probably need to look for the right 3 to play next to both of them in the offseason. Preferably someone who can hit 3's and defend multiple positions. Regardless they have to figure out a way to find Sabonis more minutes.

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                          • #14
                            People are projecting way too much into this situation and doing it to further agendas they are frustrated they can't make happen. This franchise has a history of providing opportunity and taking care of players when they are willing to accept a role that fosters winning.

                            Sure there are limits from a salary cap perspective but I have full confidence Pritchard and company will make the right/best choices. The most positive news is that they are now making these bets with a group wired more like the 90's teams vs. the Oneal/Artest bunch or the George/Hibbert/Lance crew.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by youOk View Post
                              I think they have shown this year that they have the potential to play together. The Pacer's probably need to look for the right 3 to play next to both of them in the offseason. Preferably someone who can hit 3's and defend multiple positions. Regardless they have to figure out a way to find Sabonis more minutes.
                              Kevin Durant



                              I'm still 100% on board with playing them together and figuring out how to make that work.

                              The article is a nice little puff piece because there's probably a lot of people wondering why Myles got his extension at this point.
                              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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