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Myles Turner signs 4/72m extension

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  • #46
    By the time Sabonis is a RFA, the Pacers will know, including the Sabonis fans here, if they want Myles. Unlike the Roy fiasco, when Roy got a max contract, the Pacers were essentially stuck. This time, if by the time 2020 comes around the Pacers believe Sabonis is the route to go, Myles can be easily traded and then Sabonis can be offered a long term contract.

    Had their been a wait until 2019 for Myles, he would have been an overpaid RFA, and thus the Pacers would literally be deciding between Sabonis and Turner. Now they have the choice of both, and will end up keeping the best player of the two. Again, while rationality isn't a staple of this board (I'm certainly irrational emotional poster #1), if you like Sabonis, this is the best news you could have heard all day.
    Last edited by mattie; 10-15-2018, 05:49 PM.

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    • #47
      Now the front office can hit free agency next Summer without anything to worry about.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by mattie View Post

        Sabonis is under contract until 2020. In 2020 they can offer a contract. Or, they can offer a qualifying, and keep him until 2021.

        This contract doesn't effect the Pacers ability to resign Sabonis at all. If anything, it makes him tradable, and thus there is probably a greater chance today, the Pacers can keep Sabonis in the future. If you're on the Sabonis train, you should be extremely excited and happy about todays events.
        True in part, this is Domas 3rd year, so they can offer extension early next season. But i agree; Turner trade easier perhaps. unless he plays like last season or get outperformed at the rate he was outperformed int he pre-season (yes i know DG) but in that case he's a new albatros
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        • #49
          Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
          A lot could depend on what the contract starts at. is it a straight 4 yr 72 mil or straight yr 20 mil with bonuses .

          Or is it a 72 mil deal starting at 15 mil, in 2019-29 with raises to 17,19, and 21. Or, to get to the 80 mil 17-19,21,23. If it's the type that goes up each year then the raises then the % against the cap pretty much stays the same each season. Also if it starts at 15 mil and not 18 that's an extra 3 mil that can be used next summer .

          The Pacers still have 50 mil plus to use to sign free agents next summer

          Either way signing Domas prior to next season, to a similar contract should be very manageable for the Pacers

          Looks like the deal is $72 mil but can jump to $80 with bonuses. Which means PPG, RPG and probably an all-star appearance.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by able View Post

            True in part, this is Domas 3rd year, so they can offer extension early next season. But i agree; Turner trade easier perhaps. unless he plays like last season or get outperformed at the rate he was outperformed int he pre-season (yes i know DG) but in that case he's a new albatros
            Yup - Also, watching teams rid themselves of albatross contracts in the past two years, even if Myles turns awful, this contract, at the rate it is: 18m, even if he is awful, it will be possible to dump the contract. I think it is good on all accounts.

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            • #51
              It's a fair contract. It doesn't cement Myles as the C for the Pacers necessarily. If he doesn't progress he is essentially Ian Mahinmi with a better offensive game. Not a bad player at all.

              The fact he could be had for just 18M/yr with all that supposed potential just shows everyone is being real about his value. So...good job on all sides. Let's hope he earns the full contract of 80M.

              ...but, sorry to tell you guys. Domas and his agent will work him out of Indy. That's very likely.


              Edit: So...what happens when Domas improves this year, Myles regresses and we see Domas finishing games getting paid peanuts?
              Last edited by BlueNGold; 10-15-2018, 06:00 PM.

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              • #52
                Imagine the scenario: If Myles does not play well this year, then It wouldn't be farfetched to think that the front office, and Pacers fans ALL will want him moved. He will still be a desirable trade asset, because there are always teams who lack talent, willing to take a flier on a player who needs a "change of scenery". It is likely the Pacers would trade him during the summer and turn around immediately offering Sabonis an extension.

                Further, what BnG said simply ignores everything we have seen and know about NBA contract negotiations. Sabonis has ZERO leverage, to get himself out of Indy. As Marcus Smart, and Terry Rozier are aware, while you are under a rookie contract, you do NOT have much leverage. If Sabonis gets angry and upset, the only thing he can do is wait until 2020, and hope a team offers him a contract the Pacers can match. If he's intent on LEAVING, he has to accept a qualifying offer and play with the Pacers until 2021, and become a UFA.

                So, please, read everything BnG said, and understand literally the opposite is true. lol

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                  Pacers can offer Domas a very similar contract as Myles if its either 17.5 or 20 mil per. If they both make 17.5 or 35 mil combined that is still less than John Wall, Devon Booker and Kat will make by themselves. I'd rather have 2 young bigs than either Booker , KAT or Wall alone.
                  It's not more than Booker alone...or KAT although it's close. Neither are as good though and they are essentially duplicative...and comparing overpaid players isn't saying we are making good personnel decisions pouring 36M/yr...actually over 40M/yr with O'Quinn...into the C position where none of them may turn out to be all-star caliber players. No, Myles hasn't shown that yet.

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                  • #54
                    Again: This is why this is GOOD if you're a Sabonis fan.

                    Had the Pacers not signed Myles this year, they would be looking at him next year. He wouldn't be tradeable. They would be deciding on him the same year they could offer Sabonis an extension.

                    Now, if he "sucks" they trade and resign Sabonis.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      Imagine the scenario: If Myles does not play well this year, then It wouldn't be farfetched to think that the front office, and Pacers fans ALL will want him moved. He will still be a desirable trade asset, because there are always teams who lack talent, willing to take a flier on a player who needs a "change of scenery". It is likely the Pacers would trade him during the summer and turn around immediately offering Sabonis an extension.

                      Further, what BnG said simply ignores everything we have seen and know about NBA contract negotiations. Sabonis has ZERO leverage, to get himself out of Indy. As Marcus Smart, and Terry Rozier are aware, while you are under a rookie contract, you do NOT have much leverage. If Sabonis gets angry and upset, the only thing he can do is wait until 2020, and hope a team offers him a contract the Pacers can match. If he's intent on LEAVING, he has to accept a qualifying offer and play with the Pacers until 2021, and become a UFA.

                      So, please, read everything BnG said, and understand literally the opposite is true. lol
                      I didn't say he would get out before the end of his contract or did I mean that. I said he would be ready to leave having to play behind Myles who may become a fixture. He isn't staying in Indy if Myles works out.

                      Hmmm. So you disagree with my statement that it was a fair contract for Myles?
                      Last edited by BlueNGold; 10-15-2018, 06:12 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        ...but, sorry to tell you guys. Domas and his agent will work him out of Indy. That's very likely.


                        Edit: So...what happens when Domas improves this year, Myles regresses and we see Domas finishing games getting paid peanuts?
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                        • #57
                          The same people who are mad now would be mad if Turner signed a 4 year 30 million dollar extension. The only thing they wouldn’t criticize is Turner walking.

                          Reality is this is a good deal for a number of reasons, allowing us to have flexibility moving his contract in the future and also allowing us to get great value if Turner does take a leap.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by BenR1990 View Post
                            The same people who are mad now would be mad if Turner signed a 4 year 30 million dollar extension. The only thing they wouldn’t criticize is Turner walking.

                            Reality is this is a good deal for a number of reasons, allowing us to have flexibility moving his contract in the future and also allowing us to get great value if Turner does take a leap.
                            Yes. Also, I understand it. Lot of people are huge Sabonis fans, and I don't blame them. He's awesome.

                            The first initial take from all of this is "oh no, they chose Myles over Sabonis". That's factually incorrect as I've written 77 times. But I completely understand why the Sabonis fans are upset. (But fear not! Sabonis isn't going anywhere until at least 2020!)

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by mattie View Post

                              Yes. Also, I understand it. Lot of people are huge Sabonis fans, and I don't blame them. He's awesome.

                              The first initial take from all of this is "oh no, they chose Myles over Sabonis". That's factually incorrect as I've written 77 times. But I completely understand why the Sabonis fans are upset. (But fear not! Sabonis isn't going anywhere until at least 2020!)
                              I am fine with the deal and agree with your conclusion that it doesn't lock us into either player. Just what I said...Myles isn't necessarily locked in at C long term. The real question is what happens if they are about equal (as they are right now) a year from now? I think one has to go. Too much money for one position and unless something changes neither will be playing PF. If anything they are likely to fill out and get bigger and more valuable as C's.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                                I am fine with the deal and agree with your conclusion that it doesn't lock us into either player. Just what I said...Myles isn't necessarily locked in at C long term. The real question is what happens if they are about equal (as they are right now) a year from now? I think one has to go. Too much money for one position and unless something changes neither will be playing PF. If anything they are likely to fill out and get bigger and more valuable as C's.
                                Even a year from now, all they have to do is basically nothing - if Sabonis is eager for a deal, they sign him to a team friendly extension like Boston/Smart. His then, one more tradable asset. If he doesn't want an extension, they wait one more year. Pacers essentially have two more years before they have to do anything with either player.

                                In 2020, when Sabonis has become a RFA - they can match the contract. If someone offers Sabonis way too much, they call it a day and walk. Or they match. Then they have until the trade deadline to move Myles.

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