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Nate McMillan is in the final year of his contract, but it is likely only a matter of time before the Indiana Pacers offer him an extension.

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    Nate McMillan is in the final year of his contract, but it is likely only a matter of time before the Indiana Pacers offer him an extension.

    Part of me thinks that Nate isn't necessarily KP's guy. Not to say that he has a problem with him, but based on the players he has, KP clearly has a direction he wants to go.

    Nate indicated during summer league he could see the league going back to a low post game. While that made many here happy, that made me have an existential crisis.

    I get that you want to zig when they zag - but going back to a slow lost post game isn't zigging. That's just running backwards.

    That said - on the contrary, I DO believe that the league will emphasis size more in the future, but it will be a different way. While many long for the days of the 90s when the low post ruled, myself included, I didnt like how there were a lot of basketball players in the league who were there simply becuase they were tall. They lacked skill and ability. I love the game is trending towards all skill all the time - Doesn't matter if you're 7 feet. You better know how to play. And it makes sense - I never understood why guards and bigs learned to play diferrently. Guards learned how to rebound, pass, shoot, dribble run the floor.

    Bigs learned how to rebound and throw up hook shots. It was bizarre.

    I think when it comes to countering the NBA trend, the next trend will be a big team full of gifted bigs that are skilled, as well as a true defensive power house. The league is trending towards offense, the next big thing should be to trend towards defense and how to stop them.

    Anywho long story short, based on KP's comments about flexible lineups, and Nate's sometimes seemingly refusal to adjust, I wonder if his stint will be short here.

    Tangent 8000: I actually LOVE Nate as a coach and think he's one of Indiana's best ever. He focus' on defense. I love that. He commands respect in the locker room and gets his guys to buy in. He has this calm demeanor that is absolutely contagous. I even would argue he's one of the best in the league.

    But - his refusal to get creative on offense, to get more shots for our shooters... When you hear him yelling at Myles Turner to drive, when Myles is wide open. Myles. Shoot when you're open. Don't drive towards collapsing defenders! Whether you like Myles or not, he has tools NOW, and he can't seem to find a way to get him involved. His random benchings during the playoffs (dipo game 7).

    He's not creative, and refuses to evolve. It's his only knock. He's basically perfect in every other way. So. Long story short I don't know. It's hard to get a good coach. Mcmillan is definitely in the good coach category. But. He couldn't even figure out he needed to bench Monta.


    https://8points9seconds.com/2018/07/...rs-extentsion/

    Nate McMillan is in the final year of his contract, but it is likely only a matter of time before the Indiana Pacers offer him an extension.

    The Indiana Pacers overachieved last season as Nate McMillan guided them to a 48-34 record in his second season as the head coach. A 7-game series with the Cleveland Cavaliers proved more competitive than most expected as well.

    So, is an extension in the works?


    The Indianapolis Star’s J. Michael is saying that is likely only a matter of time before that happens now that most of the other offseason business is out of the way.

    While it could be awhile before any extension is signed, or even offered, it is all but inevitable that the Pacers will keep him around. McMillan has a 90-74 record as the Pacers coach, part of his 568-526 overall record as an NBA coach.

    Despite McMillan getting more than anyone expected out of the Pacers last season, he isn’t beloved by fans or the media. He never got out of the shadow of being an unexciting hire after Frank Vogel was fired, which have led to his muddled approval ratings.

    Without that initial bit of good will, McMillan struggled to earn fans love and respect in an up and down and ultimately doomed first season with Indiana, posting a 42-40 record.

    A better than expected second season certainly helped convince some nay-sayers, but McMillan’s time in Indiana is in doubt until an extension if offered and he may never convince some that he is the right coach for Indiana.


    It’s good to hear that the Pacers are planning to get an extension done because we’ve seen how uncertainty can breed toxicity. Chemistry played a huge role in Indiana’s success last season, and McMillan deserved credit for getting the most out of the players.

    No coach is perfect, and some McMillan’s tactics could use altering, but ultimately he got more out of the Pacers than anyone reasonably would have expected before the season. Indiana was projected to win 30-some games, after all.

    You can debate how much credit McMillan deserves, but he is part of the Pacers’ winning equation in one way or another.
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    An extension would be the worst thing this franchise has done since firing Vogel or Carlisle. I still adamantly believe that McMillian is by far the largest reason we lost to the Cavs in the playoffs. His career playoff record is not good in any sense of the word.
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      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      An extension would be the worst thing this franchise has done since firing Vogel or Carlisle. I still adamantly believe that McMillian is by far the largest reason we lost to the Cavs in the playoffs. His career playoff record is not good in any sense of the word.
      There you go, I agree with this.


      No reason to give him an extension right now.
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        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        An extension would be the worst thing this franchise has done since firing Vogel or Carlisle. I still adamantly believe that McMillian is by far the largest reason we lost to the Cavs in the playoffs. His career playoff record is not good in any sense of the word.
        Celtic supposedly had a better coach, and they still lost to the Cavs. It took a team of All-Stars to beat Lebron. BTW, how is Vogel doing?


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?
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          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          An extension would be the worst thing this franchise has done since firing Vogel or Carlisle. I still adamantly believe that McMillian is by far the largest reason we lost to the Cavs in the playoffs. His career playoff record is not good in any sense of the word.
          Agree on Carlisle, but with Vogel it was time. Back on topic though, would not be keen on an extension BUT with the exceeding expectations last year can see why he would get one.

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            Sign me up for the lack of CoJo and Lance at the end of games as a major reason we lost to Lebron. He did play Sabonis over Myles, so he got that right.
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              I view him like a substitute teacher. Once the smart kids come to class, you have to go upgrade or you are holding the team back. I'm thankful he's not JOb or Zeke though. Very, very thankful. Also, for this team he's fine. We need much more talent or the talent we have has to start moving into stud territory. Once that happens you might benefit from getting a top line coach.
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                I think you guys are underselling McMillan. Based on talent alone we all know last season was an overachievement. That’s a testament to coaching.

                Vogel was a great motivator and oh so refreshing after Obrien but I find Nate to be a much sharper and more heady coach. Those platoon substitutions followed him to Orlando from what I’ve heard. I like Nate’s tendency to mix lineups and ride the hot hand. The team was night and day better out of time outs under Nate as well.

                Nate took a lot of undue blame for 16/17 and I believed that at the time. As more details have come out it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t the issue. I’m not exactly 100% sold but if he can duplicate last seasons success again I think he’ll have proved wrong many of his doubters.
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                • #9
                  Okay, let's ask the next question. If not Nate, then what Coaching options are there that would be as good or better?
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                    Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                    I think you guys are underselling McMillan. Based on talent alone we all know last season was an overachievement. That’s a testament to coaching.

                    Vogel was a great motivator and oh so refreshing after Obrien but I find Nate to be a much sharper and more heady coach. Those platoon substitutions followed him to Orlando from what I’ve heard. I like Nate’s tendency to mix lineups and ride the hot hand. The team was night and day better out of time outs under Nate as well.

                    Nate took a lot of undue blame for 16/17 and I believed that at the time. As more details have come out it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t the issue. I’m not exactly 100% sold but if he can duplicate last seasons success again I think he’ll have proved wrong many of his doubters.
                    He is without question a really good coach. I hate criticizing him. Because he's just miles ahead of Vogel. I mean he's a really good coach. But his lack of offensive creativity is alarming is all. TBH, if they could just hire an offensive guru, I think it would be the perfect coaching staff.

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                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      Okay, let's ask the next question. If not Nate, then what Coaching options are there that would be as good or better?
                      Well he still has one year left, so who is available right now doesn't really matter. It is who is available next year that is important. It is too early to know who will be available next year. That is why I'm against an extension. He isn't a special coach. He is about as average of a coach as you can get at the NBA level. You do not know what options you will have in a year. So wait it out, see if you have any better options. If he really is the best option available then re-sign him for a couple seasons, and re-evaluate at the end of the next contract.
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                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        Okay, let's ask the next question. If not Nate, then what Coaching options are there that would be as good or better?
                        Not a fan of firing for the sake of firing.
                        Not a fan of firing Nate at all actually - I think he could arguably be the best coach of the Pacers NBA era. I mean. He's damn near perfect. Except offence. Whatever Turner's ceiling is, and it doesn't matter, he has offensive talent that is not being utilized. Myles takes 3 or 4 shots a game 2 feet inside the arch. For no reason. Further, while I am in general not in a fan of an isolation post up, that stifles ball movement, there are times it can be useful, when the offense is already bogged down, and if you have someone with talented post skills you can use it from time to time. Esp. Myles. I hear talk about how Myles doesnt' have a post game. Except. He does. He has an absolutely beautiful post game. 3 or 4 touches a game, which isn't much might be just enough to give him a little confidence. Get him in a rythm. In the same way Reggie used to get a couple free throws to get himself going. A couple post ups for Myles early on might get him going.

                        The Warriors run a double screen that gets Klay WIDE open 3 or 4 times a game. I'm not suggesting Bogie is Klay, but he can shoot, and those are the type of plays that can get your shooters good looks for three.

                        Also while his substitutions are MILES ahead of Vogel. when it comes to foul trouble he's a robot. This bit us in the Dipo foul game and the Myles 7-9 game. Myles was hot in the 3rd. He pulled him on the 4th foul Which, that's understandable, except when you consider he generally closes those games out with Sabonis anyways, so why is there a fear of Myles foul trouble? Especailly when he was HOT from the field? It ended up hurting is in two ways. Sabonis came in early.

                        Sabonis was on fire in the third and lead the comeback by himself. But he was gassed out late in the 4th. He could have closed the game if he didn't have to come in so early. In turn, Myles came in with a LONG sit cold and didn't play well.

                        Simple moves, and in the end talent is more important anyways, and it seems stupid to criticize a coach who does SO MUCH right, over ultimately pretty small issues.

                        It just worries me. I remember Mark Jackson not reallzing he should tell Steph to just shoot it from anywhere anytime he wanted. Kerr didn't do a single thing well. Except one simple adjustement: He told the greatest shooter ever to unleash. It changes everything.

                        I'm not suggesting Myles can even be an allstar - but how much is he held back because the coach doesn't see that he can be a useful tool on offense? (On the other hand Nate put Dipo in a position to succeed, allowing him the freedom to relentlessly attack. That's good!)
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                        • #13
                          Nate is an average coach. That's what his body of work tells us. He is not bad but he's not good either. He did very well last season. He overachieved, especially on the defensive end, along with the team. It's possible that this nets him an extension. Should it? No, I don't think so but I cannot rule it out.
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                            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                            ………... He overachieved ...…..
                            I simply don't like the way this term is constantly thrown around. Overachieved based on what ?? Someone's expectations ?? Maybe those expectations were wrong to start with.
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                              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                              I simply don't like the way this term is constantly thrown around. Overachieved based on what ?? Someone's expectations ?? Maybe those expectations were wrong to start with.
                              Well, yeah. This team was definitely underestimated a lot at the start of last season. They proved that the expectations were wrong with their play. Personally, I don't consider overachieving to be a negative. I consider it a positive. It means that you're getting a lot more out of your team than the average person would and thus you are raising their ceiling.
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