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  • Kevin Pritchard to Pacers free agent targets: Winning is fun, join the party

    LAS VEGAS – In the East, there haven't been any monumental moves to shake up the conference beyond LeBron James' departure for the West. The Pacers, however, might have achieved a rare feat by winning free agency.

    Well, the Lakers are the biggest winners by landing James and the Golden State Warriors didn't do half bad in getting DeMarcus Cousins, either, but there's no way to be sure until the regular season starts. And even then the season is 82 games, so it'll take a while.

    The Pacers kept their starting five intact while adding three pieces that should get them past the first round of the playoffs.

    It could get them deeper. The No. 5 seed that pushed the Cleveland Cavaliers, with James, to a seventh game is better on paper thanks to president Kevin Pritchard and general manager Chad Buchanan.

    Now it's up to coach Nate McMillan, who led them to 48 wins minus a stretch power forward and efficient backups to spread the floor at shooting guard and wing.

    Kevin Pritchard's hot streak continues. Indianapolis Star

    Pritchard sat down with IndyStar this week at Las Vegas summer league where the Pacers finished group play 1-2:

    Q: During the draft last month, you almost made a deal but held firm to preserve your cap space. Did you come close to making other deals when free agency opened?

    KP: It was more draft involvement in that we had a couple of guys that we really liked in the draft and to move up we were going to have to take on some contracts. Some teams wanted to get off contracts. We were able to move up but it would've taken us completely out of free agency. What happens is you evaluate what you think can happen on July 1 in free agency, which you have no clue, or do you move up and get a young guy that’s up and coming? As we analyzed it, what we felt like was important was this team last year made a jump like we weren’t expecting. We wanted it to be a good team, but adding a really good rookie (chosen higher in the draft) is a good thing but sometimes that’s a future’s play. I felt like in free agency and at No. 23 we had a chance to get one of our players that we liked.

    Q: That player was Aaron Holiday. So what do think about him through these first three games?

    KP: I think he’s got a chance to be really good. He just brings a real moxie to the game. He’s steady, he competes, we love his toughness. I think he can be a real pesky player in the backcourt. I really value guys that can get pressure on the ball. I think he can do that in short spurts. We know he can shoot the ball and shooting is a premium.

    Q: Alize Johnson has been better than expected with his passing and pushing tempo. Most of us didn't expect that from a projected power forward. Did you?

    KP: We had watched some film and we saw some of that. I’m a little surprised how good of a passer he is. I’ve never seen a player that just hunts balls down (as a rebounder). Wherever the ball is he may not get the rebound, but he’s in the area 90 percent of the time. In the league, you’re either one of two things at that position: You’re either an elite shooter or you’re massive diver and attack guy like Jordan Bell (Golden State) and those kind of people. I think he has a chance to be a really good attack, energy guy. I don’t think you’ll really need to say, 'Alize, you need to play a little harder.' And we like those kind of guys. Join now
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    Q: Did Thaddeus Young's decision to opt-in with the final year of his deal change your free agency plans?

    KP: We were thrilled because we wanted to keep that starting five in place. Now we’ve kept the top seven guys in terms of minutes played and adding a few players that we feel like could come off our bench to be effective. Thad means everything to us. The continuity of that, what he brings in the locker room — it feels like we over-talk about that stuff — but it’s important. We know what Thad is. He’s going to be a great leader and he’ll have a heck of year. I have no doubt.
    Once Knicks teammates, Doug McDermott and Kyle O'Quinn are together again with the Pacers. (Photo: Darren Abate, AP)
    Q: You've never had Doug McDermott, Tyreke Evans or Kyle O'Quinn. Since locker room chemistry is so important, how did you conclude they'd fit?

    KP: With O’Quinn and with Tyreke, we sat down with them. Me, Nate, Chad, we sat down with Tyreke. We were there for many hours. Same with Kyle. It was different in that we wanted to make sure he was comfortable with the role which was similar to Kyle. He recruited us a little bit. We recruited him a little bit. It just felt like the right fit. (Tyreke's) a very quiet person. He goes out, he does his work and then he goes home. There’s something to be said about that, too. With Kyle, it was very direct communication. 'Here’s your role. We had Al Jefferson who was spectacular in his role last year. He played some but we need that. We value that. That’s important to us.' He said, 'I’m going to come in and compete for minutes every day and I’ll be the best locker room guy you could possibly have.'

    The truth is our scouts start with background. We’ve got books on character and what they’re like on the court and what they’re like off the court. That plays a bigger factor. Pat Knight, Vance Catlin, they are our NBA scouts and they dig deep.

    The Indiana Pacers sign free agent forward Kyle O'Quinn Monday, July 9, 2018. Clark Wade/IndyStar

    Q: How does that balance work when figuring out what you see off-court translating to on-court, or in the locker room?

    KP: I’ve been around some guys that were really quiet and then they walked on the floor and they’d eat your head off to get a win. And I've seen guys that are pretty boisterous who play a secondary role on the court. I think it’s all independent. One thing I did with Tyreke, I made a few calls. Coach Cal (John Calipari) at Kentucky was at Kansas part of the time I was there. I said, 'Cal, no BS, I need to know what this kid is.’ He goes, ‘Well, let me tell you, we were 6-3 in Memphis and my coaches kept saying you need to put him as a point guard.' Tyreke would never say anything like, ‘I need to be a point guard.’ He said, 'As soon as we put him at the point guard position he was the most competitive guy I ever met. He’s going to go at you.' I think they won their last 30 games or something like that (actually, 27 in a row). We do our background. Sometimes you get good intel. Sometimes it’s not as good. When we talked to these guys we try to be really open and honest on what’s your role, what’s your expectations, what you’re about and we got real comfortable with those two guys.
    Doug McDermott's 3-point stroke made him a priority for Pacers. (Photo: Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports)
    Q: Based on the moves, do you expect this to be a more prolific 3-point shooting team that moves from the mid-range?

    KP: I think it’s important. You see what the league is doing shooting. But I trust Nate. Sometimes what happens is they try to take away layups, they try to take away 3-pointers. So your best shot becomes that mid-range shot. That being said, everybody in the league knows your most effective shot is either a wide-open layup, free throws or an open corner 3. We all try to get those kind of shots. With McDermott, with Holiday and O’Quinn — he is a good mid-range shooter, does a nice job with that — we wanted shooting. We know shooting is a premium.

    You also need an alternate attacker, too. If you kick out to Tyreke, in my mind I see a pick-and-roll on one side, kick it out and then he’s in an attack position because he’s a really effective passer. I wanted to get his passing. You know what his mentality is? To go get a score. But I want to get him to think, 'How can I be one of the best passers in the league?'

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    Q: What's the status of McMillan's contract? He's entering the final year of the three-year deal?

    KP: We’re talking right now. We value what he’s done. We understand how important he is and we’ll have conversations over the summer with him.

    Q: What will it take for a LeBron James and Chris Paul to consider Indiana?

    KP: If we win a series or get a little deeper into the playoffs with our flexibility, that’s our ultimate goal. A good core we believe in and then ultimately some flexibility to go after something like that. We may not get him, but you have to at least try. For me, having some success on the court, having our players enjoy the way we play and winning, that's the best thing Indiana can provide. If you want to come, have success, have a chance to win in the playoffs, we can provide that.

    Q: How active were you at trying to get an audience with those caliber superstars?

    KP: You’re proactive. We were talking to all of them. You better believe it. I knew this, that because our space, what we have going forward, I wanted to at least put it in every one of their agent’s ears that we’re here. If you’re going to say, 'No,' that’s fine but we’re going to at least have that conversation.




    Q: McDermott's deal of three years suggests you truly believe in him. How much of a role did analytics play in that decision because it appears it had a big role?

    KP: The thing that we try to do is we look at what a player has done. We saw what Doug did in Dallas over those last 26 games and how he was such a high efficiency catch-and-shooter and it’s just like with Victor (Oladipo) and (Domantas) Sabonis, how would they do it with us. Analytics (staff), they came to me and said, 'We need shooting. You need 3-point shooting.' Doug is a catch-and-shoot guy. I think he does a good job of cutting, moving away, curling. He’s got a scorer mentality. I love cutters. A beautiful basketball game is a balance of pick-and-rolls but then a ton of movement off cutting and Nate does a good job of it. With Doug I think we got a really good cutter. Make that defense work. You can do a lot of misdirection. Have him move out, you could kick it to him but then you’ve got the sneak drives and all that. If you’ve got a lot of shooters out there you’ve got a chance at that.

    Q: That sounds similar to what Kyle Korver has done to make himself unique, getting those wide pins and flare screens to pop for open looks. Is that the idea?

    KP: Nate has talked about this, running some Korver plays. Korver changed the league. Where Korver really made it is offensive rebound then a sniper 3. The quick 3. In Atlanta, they were elite. They taught that stuff. I know Nate will look at that sniper 3.

    Victor changed everything. Now you have one guy who can get into the paint all the time. I wanted to add another one (Evans). And they get into the paint completely different. And McDermott gives us a chance to spread the court. I think O’Quinn does, too. Did I tell you I think he’ an underrated shooter?

    Q: Do you still take pictures of the bench and show those reactions to players?

    KP: I watch the bench. I like to see how the bench is interacting. When guys get excited we’ll take a picture and put it in the locker room. It’s more about enforcing about being a good teammate, I guess. Last year we were doing that. Then we said, 'Why are we doing this? We already know.' Chad actually said that. I’m not sure where he got it. Like most good ideas, I’ll take it.
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    Q: During the draft last month, you almost made a deal but held firm to preserve your cap space. Did you come close to making other deals when free agency opened?

    KP: It was more draft involvement in that we had a couple of guys that we really liked in the draft and to move up we were going to have to take on some contracts. Some teams wanted to get off contracts. We were able to move up but it would've taken us completely out of free agency. What happens is you evaluate what you think can happen on July 1 in free agency, which you have no clue, or do you move up and get a young guy that’s up and coming? As we analyzed it, what we felt like was important was this team last year made a jump like we weren’t expecting. We wanted it to be a good team, but adding a really good rookie (chosen higher in the draft) is a good thing but sometimes that’s a future’s play. I felt like in free agency and at No. 23 we had a chance to get one of our players that we liked.


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    • #3
      analytics guys were big on doug...i assume not big on lance...we'll see how it plays out

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      • #4
        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Big deal
        Given your reaction by what the Pacers ended up doing, you would have then complained that the Pacers couldn't have gone further and dumped both Bojan and DC to go after a huge Free Agent like Aaron Gordon while taking on additional salary by trading up. One thing to note is that we have no idea whether the additional salary would have translated into taking on an Expiring or taking on 2019-2020 Salary.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dal9 View Post
          analytics guys were big on doug...i assume not big on lance...we'll see how it plays out
          I wonder what those analytic #s were for Lance.
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          • #6
            A good interview, as usual from KP. Easy to say we're talking to all those big name free agents, and I suppose I believe him, but we'll have to see one sign here eventually. I do think Vic is going to make a big difference. I never really though Paul George was a guy other stars were clamoring to play with, but Vic might really be different. Something as simple as having DWade's endorsement says a lot to me about the way other players view Vic. LeBron calling Lance instead of PG says something too.

            I'm really hoping Tyreke can stay healthy, because I've been on his bandwagon big time and I think if he stays healthy, his signing will really pay off.

            I like Holiday more every time I see him play.

            O'Quinn gets my support just for making Knicks fans mad.

            I think McBuckets will be an asset, albeit not a huge one.
            It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Given your reaction by what the Pacers ended up doing, you would have then complained that the Pacers couldn't have gone further and dumped both Bojan and DC to go after a huge Free Agent like Aaron Gordon while taking on additional salary by trading up. One thing to note is that we have no idea whether the additional salary would have translated into taking on an Expiring or taking on 2019-2020 Salary.
              If we had done the Parsons + #4 pick deal, and managed to sign Aaron Gordon at the expense of DC/Bogey, I would've been thrilled also. Vic, Myles, Domas, Gordon, #4? Heck yeah, that's a future.

              As it is, I'm pretty happy with the squad and looking forward to the season. But man, that would've been a huge splash.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Given your reaction by what the Pacers ended up doing, you would have then complained that the Pacers couldn't have gone further and dumped both Bojan and DC to go after a huge Free Agent like Aaron Gordon while taking on additional salary by trading up. One thing to note is that we have no idea whether the additional salary would have translated into taking on an Expiring or taking on 2019-2020 Salary.
                I would have been OK with them taking on a contract or two to move up that was the point of having cap space.

                The Denver deal to get Porter Jr would have been nice.
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                • #9
                  I mean the Pacers pretty much said “no thanks” to move up so they could get their hands on the big free agents of Mcbuckets, Tyreke and O’quinn
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    I mean the Pacers pretty much said “no thanks” to move up so they could get their hands on the big free agents of Mcbuckets, Tyreke and O’quinn
                    I think taking on Parsons contract plus no matter how good a rookie is , we needed help now

                    I do think, if they knew Thad was opting out, we would have taken on Faried and the 14th pick Michael Porter Jr, (or someoen else)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                      I would have been OK with them taking on a contract or two to move up that was the point of having cap space.

                      The Denver deal to get Porter Jr would have been nice.
                      Was this an actual deal that we knew was on the table?

                      I don't think that it ever was on the table.just us "connecting the dots" based off of what we have heard.
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                      • #12
                        We weren't going to rehaul the roster for three consecutive seasons. If we traded up in the draft and get a Porter, Miles Bridges, or Gilgeous-Alexander that means we would have a Faried, Bayless, etc. eliminating any chance to get shooting in here. Like Cable said, we would have to dump Bojan and DC to over a contract to Gordon....and then have the Magic match it. The Parsons and 4th pick wasn't a real offer by the Griz. I think the Griz would have sent it to Philly for Fultz and the 10th. But they weren't taking our pick without giving up Domas/Turner or both.

                        I prefer keeping the core. Grow within. Get further in the playoffs. Get experience. Know what you have. And get a star next year. KP has really thought of it. It is not just an accident or a thrown together plot like Bird did. It might not work. Then again drafting at 14 instead of 23 might not be better than getting Holiday. And we didn't have to take on salary.

                        We have a chance to prove it on the court with a similar but improved team from last year. And maybe we can go after a Kyrie, Kemba, Love, Harrison Barnes, Klay, Tobias, Dragic, Middleton, Bledsoe, Jimmy Butler, Randle, Noel, Cauley-Stein, Leonard, Gay, Rubio, Oubre, and/or Rivers. There are options and we can get them if we are already winning. I know many wanted an immediate improved starter at the 1, 4 and 3, but that wasn't available. What PG could we have gotten? What SF? What PF?

                        Do they fit with the culture? Do they shoot? Do they have defensive versatility? Were they wanting to even come here?

                        If the answer to any of those ?s is no or I don't know....Then that is why we did what we did this offseason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                          I would have been OK with them taking on a contract or two to move up that was the point of having cap space.

                          The Denver deal to get Porter Jr would have been nice.
                          So you were willing to take a step back for two years of Victor's contract in order to roll the dice on a player 13 teams passed on because of injury concerns? Porter won't play this year. Won't contribute much the year after. And when he finally figures out the league we might not have the pull to keep Oladipo.

                          I wanted Porter. But not at the cost of improving our bench and team. And I think Doug, Evans, and O'Quinn does that. As well as not losing DC and Bojan in 2019 because we took two steps back.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post

                            So you were willing to take a step back for two years of Victor's contract in order to roll the dice on a player 13 teams passed on because of injury concerns? Porter won't play this year. Won't contribute much the year after. And when he finally figures out the league we might not have the pull to keep Oladipo.

                            I wanted Porter. But not at the cost of improving our bench and team. And I think Doug, Evans, and O'Quinn does that. As well as not losing DC and Bojan in 2019 because we took two steps back.
                            Rather have a guy that can be an star in few years than to lose the opportunity to sign bench players.

                            You can always sign bench players I don’t get this desperation regarding the bench.
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                            • #15
                              In hindsight, I’m ok we didn’t move up. I think Holiday was a steal where we got him. I don’t believe moving into the teens would have netted any better of a player. Got lucky there.
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