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  • anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240412001



    ATLANTA (AP) -- Bob Sura grinned sheepishly after becoming the first NBA player in seven years to have three straight triple-doubles.

    He knew this feat should come with asterisk.

    Sura intentionally missed a layup and grabbed his 10th rebound just before the buzzer in the Atlanta Hawks' 129-107 victory over the New Jersey Nets on Monday Night.


    He already had 22 points and 11 assists.

    "Actually, the ball slipped," Sura said, laughing and not making any pretense that he was being serious.

    The Hawks spent the final two minutes trying furiously to get Sura his final rebound. But in keeping with the theme of the game -- Atlanta shot 58 percent (47-of-81) from the field -- no one could miss.

    Jason Terry led Atlanta with 30 points, Stephen Jackson had 23 and Chris Crawford matched Sura with 22.

    "Everyone was making all their shots," Sura said. "J.T. couldn't miss. Jack(son) couldn't miss. On the last play, all the guys on the team were screaming at me to do it. It was kind of a reaction thing. I just did it."

    At least Sura's bit of personal self-gratification came at his own end of the court. Ricky Davis, then of Cleveland, was roundly condemned last season when he tried to finish off his first career triple-double by shooting at the wrong basket, missing and getting the rebound.

    Before it could happen, a Utah player wrapped his arms around Davis and was called for a foul. Davis was fined by the Cavaliers, and the league pointed out a rule barring players from trying to score for the other team.

    The Nets didn't seem especially upset by the way Sura got his triple-double. After all, New Jersey is heading on to the playoffs, the Hawks' season is just about over.

    "They've struggled this season," Richard Jefferson said. "If they can find a high point, go for it."

    New Jersey's Jason Kidd, who leads the NBA with nine triple-doubles this season, was asked if he ever resorted to Sura's tactics to get one.

    "I've never had to," Kidd said. "But it still counts as a triple-double. ... I have nothing to do with stats. He missed a layup at the end and got a triple-double."

    Sura was the first player since Grant Hill in 1997 to have three straight games with double figures in scoring, rebounding and assists.

    Speaking of threes, the Hawks won their third in a row for the first time this season. They finish the year -- their fifth straight missing the playoffs -- at Boston on Wednesday night.

    "We're going for four in a row, baby!" Terry said.

    The Hawks poured it on in their biggest victory of the season, making a season-high 17-of-25 on 3-pointers. Terry was 6-of-8 outside the arc.

    "They caught fire, and then it was pretty much target practice," Jefferson said.

    The Nets were playing the second game of a back-to-back set -- they beat Philadelphia at home on Sunday -- and the result was irrelevant to their postseason plans. New Jersey will be seeded second in the East.

    This one was never close. The Hawks led by double figures before the game was 3½ minutes old. They hit 10 of their first 11 shots, including eight in a row to start the game. And even their first miss didn't hurt -- Jason Collier tipped it back in for two.

    The Hawks were up 65-42 at halftime, giving them three straight games in which they have eclipsed 60 in the first two quarters. They were just short of their season high for the first half, a 69-point effort at Dallas last month.

    It equaled the most points scored against the Nets in a half this season. They also gave up 65 in the second half of a Feb. 11 game at Cleveland.

    Kidd led the Nets with 15 points.

    Kidd and Kenyon Martin both played for New Jersey, even though it meant going on back-to-back nights with knee problems. Coach Lawrence Frank said a night earlier that both would probably sit out, but they elected to play after going through the pre-game warmup.

    Martin had nine rebounds.

    But this night belonged to Sura, who also eclipsed 5,000 career points.

    The eight-year veteran never had a triple-double until Friday, when he put up 12 points, 12 assists and 11 rebounds at Chicago. The following night, he had 15 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds against Boston.

    "It's been exciting for me to come here," said Sura, acquired by the Hawks in a February trade. "We don't want the season to end since we've been winning some games."

    Game notes
    The Hawks have broken 100 points in four straight games. ... In the last three games, the Hawks have scored 61, 63 and now 65 points in the first half. ... The Nets won their first 13 after Frank took over as coach from Byron Scott; they are 12-14 since then. ... Hawks rookie Travis Hansen scored a career-high 14 points. ... Martin played 24 minutes, Kidd 26.

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    Kind of leaves a bad taste, though I have to admit I loved this kind of stuff one time when I saw it in person.

    It was maybe 1973?

    Other old timers may have to help me out on this.

    I was a young kid going to one of my first Pacers games. George McGinnis got about 20 rebounds in the 1st half. It was announced mid-4th quarter that George was within one rebound of the ABA record.

    If I recall correctly, he got the record fair and square, then tacked on a few more by playing volleyball with himself on the offensive glass before putting it in.

    I don't recall how many rebounds he ended up with. 35?
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

  • #2
    Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

    I seem to remember Al or Jermaine letting Tinsley get the rebound at the end of a game so Jamaal could get his triple-dip. I think it's fine.

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    • #3
      Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

      At least he missed it at the correct basket.

      But, he streak is now total BS and meaningless. It illustrates how meaningless stats are, especially for players on bad teams. There are plenty of players who put up big numbers for bad teams who are NOT good players.

      Shareef Abdur-Rahim was a 20-10 guy for Atlanta. After his trade to Portland he couldn't get off the bench.

      I would guess that here are at least 9 and possibly more current Indiana players who would put up "star" numbers if they were playing for Atlanta.

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      • #4
        Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

        "They've struggled this season," Richard Jefferson said. "If they can find a high point, go for it."
        Kind of like when you guys celebrated after getting blown out by the Pistons but managing to score 71 points, right Richard?

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        • #5
          Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

          I was refering to Jefferson and his Nets teammates when I said "you guys." They were the team who broke the Pistons under-70 streak at the buzzer and celebrated despite being blown out by 18 points.

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          • #6
            Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

            On the Mike and Mike show this morning they were all over Sura.
            They wanted to spend a good part of the show trying to find ways
            to discredit it. My feelings at the time were big deal. Give the guy a
            break. Much ado about nothing.



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            • #7
              Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

              ...[t]he streak is now total BS and meaningless. It illustrates how meaningless stats are, especially for players on bad teams. There are plenty of players who put up big numbers for bad teams who are NOT good players.
              That pretty much says it all. He pretty much discredited his own streak.

              But, it's Bob freakin' Sura. I forgot the guy was even still in the NBA. :P

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              • #8
                Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                The NBA struck Sura's triple-double from the record books today

                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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                • #9
                  Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                  The NBA struck Sura's triple-double from the record books today
                  Really? LOL.

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                  • #10
                    Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1781342

                    ATLANTA -- The NBA took away Bob Sura's third straight triple-double Tuesday, ruling he shouldn't get credit for one rebound because he intentionally missed a shot just before the buzzer.


                    Sura thought he was the first NBA player since Grant Hill in 1997 to have three straight games with double figures in scoring, rebounding and assists.


                    But the NBA said his tactics in the Hawks' 129-107 win over New Jersey on Monday violated the rule that states, "A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into the basket for a field goal."


                    Since Sura wasn't trying to make the shot, the NBA said, he shouldn't get credit for a field goal attempted. Therefore, there was no rebound.


                    The journeyman guard had 22 points and 11 assists when he intentionally missed a layup just before the buzzer so he could get his 10th rebound.


                    "Actually, the ball slipped," Sura said, laughing and not making any pretense at being serious. "All the guys on the team were screaming at me to do it. It was kind of a reaction thing. I just did it."


                    His intentional miss rekindled memories of Ricky Davis' blatant attempt to pad his stats last season.


                    Davis, then with Cleveland, was roundly criticized when he tried to finish off his first career triple-double by shooting at the wrong basket, missing and getting the rebound. Before it could happen, a Utah player wrapped his arms around Davis and was called for a foul.


                    Davis was fined by the Cavaliers, and the league pointed out a rule barring players from trying to score for the other team.


                    At least Sura was shooting at his own basket when he missed, but the NBA said it didn't matter.


                    Sura picked up the first triple-double of his eight-year career on Friday, when he put up 12 points, 12 assists and 11 rebounds at Chicago. The following night, he had 15 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds against Boston.

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                    • #11
                      Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                      http://www.nba.com/news/sura_040413.html

                      NEW YORK, April 13 --The National Basketball Association today disallowed a missed field goal attempt and ensuing rebound which gave Atlanta Hawk guard Bob Sura a statistical "triple-double" in the Hawks' 129-107 victory over the New Jersey Nets on April 12.

                      In the closing seconds of that game, Sura intentionally missed a layup and grabbed the rebound.

                      The NBA rule book states that "A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into the basket for a field goal."

                      The league ruled that Sura did not attempt a field goal, and therefore there was no rebound.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                      • #12
                        Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                        http://www.nba.com/news/sura_040413.html

                        NEW YORK, April 13 --The National Basketball Association today disallowed a missed field goal attempt and ensuing rebound which gave Atlanta Hawk guard Bob Sura a statistical "triple-double" in the Hawks' 129-107 victory over the New Jersey Nets on April 12.

                        In the closing seconds of that game, Sura intentionally missed a layup and grabbed the rebound.

                        The NBA rule book states that "A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into the basket for a field goal."

                        The league ruled that Sura did not attempt a field goal, and therefore there was no rebound.
                        Mine's longer.

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                        • #13
                          Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                          now that's really crazy. is the league going to look over each possession now to see whether it was a 'legitimate' rebound off a 'legitimate' shot attempt? ed:

                          for god's sake, it's a worthless stat anyway. why 10 rebounds is so much more impressive than 9 rebounds is something i can't understand.

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                          • #14
                            Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                            Umm... because it's double digits... and..... uh.... that's like..... way better... apparently.

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                            • #15
                              Re: anyone upset at Bob Sura missing a layup on purpose to get a triple double?

                              He was denied his 3rd after all. The NBA ruled his fake shot attempt at the end of the game didn't really count, so he only ended up with 9 rebounds.

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