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    Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...507260403/1088

    Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis
    Veteran's agent says other teams have more to offer Indiana's popular frontcourt player.

    Earning his keep: After coming back to the Indiana Pacers, Dale Davis played a pivotal role late last season as they made the second round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. -- Steve Healey / The Star

    By Mike Wells
    mike.wells@indystar.com

    The Indiana Pacers' deal with Sarunas Jasikevicius might end their chance of re-signing free agent Dale Davis.

    Jasikevicius, a 29-year-old guard who has been one of Europe's best players in recent seasons, agreed to a three-year, $12 million deal Sunday night.

    The Pacers are interested in re-signing Davis, a 6-11 forward-center, but realize they may not be able to afford him. They have two salary exceptions -- a $5 million midlevel exception, part of which will go to Jasikevicius, and a $1.6 million exception, which might not be enough to retain Davis.

    "If the money's not there, Dale will be playing somewhere else next season," Davis' agent, Chubby Wells, said Monday. "It's a business and we understand that. There won't be any hard feelings. We've talked to some good teams that are interested in Dale and have more money to offer."

    Cleveland, coached by former Pacers assistant coach Mike Brown, Seattle, Philadelphia and Dallas have expressed interest.

    Davis, 36, was a key performer in the Pacers' playoff run last season. But his potential loss could be felt more in the locker room than on the court because of the progress of David Harrison, who impressed the Pacers during summer league play. Harrison missed part of his rookie season with a knee injury.

    Other than Ron Artest, Harrison was the best Pacers player in Minneapolis. Harrison averaged 14.8 points, including scoring 16 in just 14 minutes against Milwaukee's Andrew Bogut, the top pick in last month's NBA draft.
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    Just as I thought. Dale's always been about the money. I thought/think he might take less to play for the Pacers, but not if it's over a million in the life of the contract.

    The pacers can offer DD their 1.6-1.7 million exception, but it's limited to two years. Or they can offer the rest of their MLE.

    With raises of 8.5% Sarunas should make,

    $3,660,000
    $4,000,000
    $4,340,000
    ----------
    $12,000,000

    That means if the MLE was $5.1 million, the most the Pacers could offer DD as a starting salary is $1,440,000. As has been mentioned they could pay him more guaranteed years. Then like Reggie he would be collecting a salary while retired. Personally I think I would like that better.

    Dale's 36 years old so I doubt if he is offered more than a two year contract. And the most I think he will command is half MLE. That would be $2,550,000.
    With an 8 1/2% raise the second year ($2,766,750) thats a total of, $5,316,750.

    If the Pacers offer him $1,440,000 for three years, with 10 1/2% raises it would look like this:

    $1,440,000
    $1,591,200
    $1,742,400
    ----------
    $4,773,600

    That's still a difference of $543,150. So will Dale take the money or the environment?

    I don't know if the Pacers could offer Dale a 4th year. I think they can, however when players get up in age there are all kinds of rules regarding their contracts.

    There's also another exception they can sign him to, called the non-bird exception. However since we don't know if it will be the same in the new contract, and we don't know which of Dale's salarys would count, what the Pacers paid him, or what he was paid by other teams.

    NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are defined as veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents. This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at 120% of the player's salary in the previous season or 120% of the minimum salary, whichever is greater, even if they are over the cap. Raises are limited to 10% and contracts are limited to six years when this exception is used. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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    Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

    aw heck

    Grant may becoem available, maybe he'll take the min to pay with his pal
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    • #3
      Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

      YEs and the P's brass put the word out via the Star that we didn't have enough money to sign Saras one week before we did.

      The Art of Negotiation (?)
      Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      • #4
        Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

        This is all a barganing ploy by Dale's agent. His job is to create fire so that the Pacers overpay his client.

        The teams linked to Dale are Cleveland, which has their MLE but seriously need a PG.

        Philadelphia has spent a ton of money to keep Dalembert and the others and honestly unless they dump Webber, I don't see why they would want Dale to the point they would overpay him. They have Webber, Dalembert, and Marc Jackson so it's not an emergency situation.

        Seattle does have a void now with Jerome James gone, but are probably planning to play their last 2 1st round picks at center. They still need to sign Radmonovic, and Reggie Evans as well.

        Dallas scares me the most as Cuban wouldn't be afraid (maybe stupid) to offer Dale a multi year deal for about the same numbers Saras just got.
        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

        ----------------- Reggie Miller

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        • #5
          Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

          Originally posted by PacerFanInAZ
          This is all a barganing ploy by Dale's agent. His job is to create fire so that the Pacers overpay his client.
          Bargaining ploy? I think Dale is worth the max we could pay him.

          I guess we would be over paying though if we gave him a guaranteed contract of more than 3 years at our max.

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          • #6
            Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

            No mention of us being unable to sign JJ....
            This space for rent.

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            • #7
              Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

              Why not offer Portland Pollard and Johnson or Bender in a trade for Ratlif. Portland would love to have Pollard. That's a two for one with a better PF than DD. Also makes letting Cro go even easier.

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              • #8
                Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                Originally posted by Anthem
                No mention of us being unable to sign JJ....
                That's because signing him doesn't depend on exceptions.

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                • #9
                  Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                  Well...Hopefully Larry can find away to sign both cuz im luvin Double D and JJ! I hate to say it but trading AJ or Gill (now that we have Saras) and Bender does sound good and if we're gonna get Dale we might as well trade Pollard. I'm not sure too many trade talks can confuse me...(im just 14 LOL)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                    That's really unfortunate. I thought Dale had learned from his previous experience here when he was shipped out to Portland, but it appears he's all about the money after all. I really do think he'll look back after we win the championship in the next couple years and regret his decision.

                    I would have loved for Dale to retire a Pacer.

                    Guess now we know what we need to trade for -- a center.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                      Originally posted by PaCeRs_GuRL
                      Well...Hopefully Larry can find away to sign both cuz im luvin Double D and JJ! I hate to say it but trading AJ or Gill (now that we have Saras) and Bender does sound good and if we're gonna get Dale we might as well trade Pollard. I'm not sure too many trade talks can confuse me...(im just 14 LOL)
                      Wonder what a package of AJ, Gill, and Pollard would get us? Maybe a sign-and-trade with Cleveland?

                      I like JJ, but I think re-signing him at the expense of DD is a big mistake. We're already loaded at JJ's position.

                      I hope Dale doesn't sign with the Pistons.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                        Originally posted by foulplay
                        Why not offer Portland Pollard and Johnson or Bender in a trade for Ratlif. Portland would love to have Pollard. That's a two for one with a better PF than DD. Also makes letting Cro go even easier.
                        I would do that SO FAST.

                        And with Pollard's expiring contract, they MAY just bite on it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                          Originally posted by Shade

                          I hope Dale doesn't sign with the Pistons.
                          Gee..that would SUCK if Dale was in a Pistons jersey!!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                            Originally posted by PacerFanInAZ
                            This is all a barganing ploy by Dale's agent. His job is to create fire so that the Pacers overpay his client.

                            The teams linked to Dale are Cleveland, which has their MLE but seriously need a PG.

                            Philadelphia has spent a ton of money to keep Dalembert and the others and honestly unless they dump Webber, I don't see why they would want Dale to the point they would overpay him. They have Webber, Dalembert, and Marc Jackson so it's not an emergency situation.

                            Seattle does have a void now with Jerome James gone, but are probably planning to play their last 2 1st round picks at center. They still need to sign Radmonovic, and Reggie Evans as well.

                            Dallas scares me the most as Cuban wouldn't be afraid (maybe stupid) to offer Dale a multi year deal for about the same numbers Saras just got.
                            In that scenario, I'd be fine with him going to Dallas. If Cuban wants to pay him THAT much, go for it.

                            The only thing I fear is Dale going to Miami or Detroit. That's it.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Star: Pacers may not have money to re-sign Davis

                              Originally posted by Shade
                              I hope Dale doesn't sign with the Pistons.
                              I would hate to have to root against Dale.

                              He should join Al in Atlanta.
                              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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