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  • #61
    Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

    I think the Guard and Wing positions are very strong to acceptable. The bigs, however, are a crap shoot at the present time. Rumors and off hand remarks by Bird, indicate we are going brand new at the 4 and 5. Paul George in a brand new position and the Center spot left to "Mario" Hill and a 19 year old jump shooter alongside "Stone Hands Ian". Be a lot of excess drinking at Pacer games this year.

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    • #62
      Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      Not only is it both true and based in fact, but having a **** sandwich at the center position is doable if you're playing them in tandem with quality power forwards. Having one in a small-ball lineup is a problem. It just is.

      I would say that yes, regardless of the style I'd say the center position on Indiana is very questionable. It's just a bigger deal because of the new direction of the team.
      I'd say it's less of a deal since we're not going to be so "big" focused.
      Danger Zone

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      • #63
        Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

        Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
        Who gives a ripp about what the media thinks. According to roy those "" dont watch us anyway right?



        WHAT DOES ROY HAVE TO DO WITH IT?
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • #64
          Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

          Originally posted by Rogco View Post
          I'd say it's less of a deal since we're not going to be so "big" focused.
          That actually makes it more of a big deal, since the one true big on the floor now has to do the work of two. That's why the only NBA teams that run that type of system field monsters in the middle.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #65
            Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

            Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
            D-league frontcourt.

            I feel like Bird had the philosophy of just going after the best players and then making sense of it all later. Probably a good move for the long run but right team this team is a head scratcher.

            hate to break it to you but roy's barely a top 20 center and on the verge of D lg himself. so not much has changed with our frontcourt per your post.

            exhausting posting rationale and logic regarding this topic because once you do no one will respond. gotta say things that are outlandinsh to get response... and even then wont work to stir conversation cause thats all the focus is on... one comment out of a 100 that may be vague and all hell breaks loose. but heres one as specific as it gets. now get ready to hear the crickets from hibbert camp.

            "Roy is a 15-20th ranked center in this lg." Heres the SUPPORT.

            http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx


            im not typing up a novel cause i know not one will argue this assertion. So it must be TRUE. Roy is an average center by NBA standards.

            West was getting old.




            Your right. Birds philosophy is go after the best and get rid of malcontents. Our center was practically D lg last year.

            Depth charts are the proof. Roy is just average. no more no less. he will not be missed as much as some like to make it seem.

            So can we please stop beating this hibberts irreplaceable drum. It's simply not true.

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            • #66
              Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

              Originally posted by BillS View Post


              WHAT DOES ROY HAVE TO DO WITH IT?
              Bills your missing the point man.

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              • #67
                Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                hate to break it to you but roy's barely a top 20 center and on the verge of D lg himself. so not much has changed with our frontcourt per your post.

                exhausting posting rationale and logic regarding this topic because once you do no one will respond. gotta say things that are outlandinsh to get response... and even then wont work to stir conversation cause thats all the focus is on... one comment out of a 100 that may be vague and all hell breaks loose. but heres one as specific as it gets. now get ready to hear the crickets from hibbert camp.

                "Roy is a 15-20th ranked center in this lg." Heres the SUPPORT.

                http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx


                im not typing up a novel cause i know not one will argue this assertion. So it must be TRUE. Roy is an average center by NBA standards.

                West was getting old.




                Your right. Birds philosophy is go after the best and get rid of malcontents. Our center was practically D lg last year.

                Depth charts are the proof. Roy is just average. no more no less. he will not be missed as much as some like to make it seem.

                So can we please stop beating this hibberts irreplaceable drum. It's simply not true.
                But 15-20th in the league is starting caliber. Much better than anything we have now. There are probably around 80-100 centers in the league so that would make him much higher than average and certainly not d-league.

                And I'm not beating a Hibbert isn't replaceable drum, I'm just saying our front court is literally 30th out of 30 teams in the league.
                Last edited by pacers_heath; 08-07-2015, 05:23 PM.
                Lifelong pacers fan

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                • #68
                  Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                  Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                  Bills your missing the point man.
                  You're right. So far, all I'm getting is that your response to anything in this discussion is, "yeah, but Roy sucks."

                  Media thinks PG might not be as good on defense? "Roy sucks".
                  Our frontcourt isn't going to be very good? "Roy sucked."
                  Can Vogel come up with a way around the roster? "Roy sucked"
                  Do you really think the Pacers will be that bad next season? "Roy sucked!"
                  BillS

                  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                  Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  • #69
                    Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                    Originally posted by BillS View Post
                    You're right. So far, all I'm getting is that your response to anything in this discussion is, "yeah, but Roy sucks."

                    Media thinks PG might not be as good on defense? "Roy sucks".
                    Our frontcourt isn't going to be very good? "Roy sucked."
                    Can Vogel come up with a way around the roster? "Roy sucked"
                    Do you really think the Pacers will be that bad next season? "Roy sucked!"
                    Can't beat that logic...

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                    • #70
                      Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                      Originally posted by BillS View Post
                      You're right. So far, all I'm getting is that your response to anything in this discussion is, "yeah, but Roy sucks."

                      Media thinks PG might not be as good on defense? "Roy sucks".
                      Our frontcourt isn't going to be very good? "Roy sucked."
                      Can Vogel come up with a way around the roster? "Roy sucked"
                      Do you really think the Pacers will be that bad next season? "Roy sucked!"
                      It's raining outside? "Roy sucked."

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                        There are so many questions about this team that it is hard to predict where they stand in the Eastern Conference. I do believe the Pacers won't be awful, as in a sub-30 win team, but the roster underwent such a dramatic change it may take some time to fully determine what we have.

                        A healthy Paul George and George Hill will go a long way in getting the Pacers to the playoffs. We went 21-12 down the stretch with a healthy Hill in the lineup last year.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                          Originally posted by BillS View Post
                          You're right. So far, all I'm getting is that your response to anything in this discussion is, "yeah, but Roy sucks."

                          Media thinks PG might not be as good on defense? "Roy sucks".
                          Our frontcourt isn't going to be very good? "Roy sucked."
                          Can Vogel come up with a way around the roster? "Roy sucked"
                          Do you really think the Pacers will be that bad next season? "Roy sucked!"

                          Thats not what I am saying. Thats what you are choosing to hear. I have stated positive attributes about Roy.


                          Work ethic - Roy I know at one time worked his *** off and he still may.

                          Community - great for it and active.

                          Teammate - whose to say with Brueners articles but at one time no doubt.

                          Wall defensively - no doubt at one time he was.



                          Problem is Roy's only "consistency is inconsistency." I can paint the sky rainbows if you like with roy... but i simply choose whats best for the Franchise.

                          If Roy has personal issues affecting his performance (then it is prob best he get a change of scenery) and maybe all that is what it really is. maybe Roy has been dealing with personal issues and should have taken more time off. I have no idea.

                          but while that takes place pacers have a window with what is likely the closest they will ever come to attaining a superstar in this league with PG. the window does'nt stay open forever.



                          Let me ask you Bills based on your interpretation of my comments. Has Roy "sucked" the last 1.5/ 2 years? In fact, Roy can fluctuate from anywhere suck to solid. to be stellar, i want more than double doubles vs the sixers and knicks.

                          i mean overall... your take of my comments really is not that far out in left in anywyas. and its not even what im truly saying, just what you choose to believe to settle insecurities about Roy?


                          just like sig, got laughed at and assaulted for my hope and optimism, here exact opposite but same results. EVEN after Larry Bird came out and publicly stated the following:

                          "That he woulda liked to have seen Roy play better." Pretty much an exact quote. yet i was saying something to this exact stature back in march.

                          anything someone says negative about roy and its seen as "he sucks" yet thats not what is being spoken. and wasnt back in march either when the hibbert camp was much more offensive in nature.

                          if im trolling then so is bird i guess... he must be following my lead. Bills im more than welcome to reference threads for you back to march. and its not much different than the bird sig.

                          very few could see it that Roy had declined. Trust me, Bird was paying attention.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                            Vogel will coach em up defensively. not going to underestimate Vogel's talent to turn water into wine so to speak. Wests presence will be missed have no doubts but we needed an infusion of youth (and talent) in the frontcourt.

                            Hill, Mahinmi, Turner, Lavoy is solid in my estimation if the rookie is ready to contribute. No one knows the ansswer to that so lets give it some time before saying ..... our.....

                            "FRONTCOURT SUCKS"



                            Vogel's one helluva coach. Lets have some Faith. That's all I was trying to say.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              Andrew Bogut made the all-defensive 2nd team last season. He was really, really good defensively and on the defensive glass. And the guy next to him made the all-NBA defensive first team.
                              Sure, and again I never said the Pacers would have a Warriors level #1 difference. I said not having it won't neccisarily be a "big problem" to not have a center play 30 mpg. I don't see how you can prove this. We know Vogel managed to have a top defense despite all the things I listed. All we can do is wait and see.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Insider request. Eastern Conference pecking order.

                                Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                                This all seems pretty fair to me. Only thing I'd do is move Boston down into our tier. Hell, the author loves his point differential from last year, then conveniently ignores that the Pacers was better than Bostons, and I'd take our lineup over theirs any day (assuming PG can return at 100%). The thing about this Pacers team is it really is a complete unknown. We were a borderline playoff team last year. We lost two fringe all-star talents, we've gained two fringe (or above fringe) all-star talents. The worst players from the team last year are gone or so far buried on the bench they might not play. Talent wise, I'd say we improved. But the huge questions is now about talent distribution and how the hell this slightly odd collection of players can fit together. There's a chance that some of our bigs will be able to contribute more than they have in the past due to increased usage, playing with the first team, working in a new system, or working with a new coach. There's also a chance that we are just going to suck inside.

                                Edit: We really could finish as high as 2nd (very small chance, but not impossible) or out of the playoffs. Either way, I can't wait for the start of the season. This team has so much intrigue right now.
                                Yes. you have PAUL George. yes you have AI version 2 in Monte Ellis. But your roster from there on out isn't better than Boston. It just isn't.

                                You guys live in NBA 2k fantasy land when looking at rosters. Or you're just homers and it wouldn't matter what Indiana has on paper.

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