All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

[spazzxb]

Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

No more than you are with the constant comments about Roy getting blown out by mediocre centers and cab driver comments like he did absolutely nothing last season. If he were even close to as bad as you make him out no team including the Lakers would have touched him while making 15 mil. If you at least acknowledged any positive contribution Roy made last year which there were plenty, then I could take you seriously.

No I don't think Turner will be playing in the D league this year since we have no starting caliber center on the team anyway but you do need to be more realistic on your expectations. He isn't going to be rookie of the year and whatever we get from Turner will be a big step down from what we could have had from Roy next year.

You are ignoring teem chemistry, fit and offense. Even as a rookie Turner has a great shot. Roy is simply a wildcard on the floor and a confirmed problem in the locker room.

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[Pacerized]

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Why would Turner, a potential ROY candidate, play for the Mad Ants? Not sure if you are trolling here

No more than you are with the constant comments about Roy getting blown out by mediocre centers and cab driver comments like he did absolutely nothing last season. If he were even close to as bad as you make him out no team including the Lakers would have touched him while making 15 mil. If you at least acknowledged any positive contribution Roy made last year which there were plenty, then I could take you seriously.

No I don't think Turner will be playing in the D league this year since we have no starting caliber center on the team anyway but you do need to be more realistic on your expectations. He isn't going to be rookie of the year and whatever we get from Turner will be a big step down from what we could have had from Roy next year.

[cdash]

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Why would Turner, a potential ROY candidate, play for the Mad Ants? Not sure if you are trolling here

I don't think he will sniff the D-League, but I also really think you need to pump the brakes on your expectations for him.

[Pacergeek]

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It depends if Turner plays for the Mad Ants all season or is given the chance to play 5-6 minutes per game in blow outs.

Why would Turner, a potential ROY candidate, play for the Mad Ants? Not sure if you are trolling here

[Pacerized]

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Are you saying that centers will score 30 points at will against us? Hard to be a lot worse than last season, when mediocre centers had their way with Hibbert

It depends if Turner plays for the Mad Ants all season or is given the chance to play 5-6 minutes per game in blow outs.

[Pacergeek]

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We'll see how good our defense from our C-rotation will be this year. I have no doubt it will be a LOT less, instead of just marginally less, then in previous years.

Are you saying that centers will score 30 points at will against us? Hard to be a lot worse than last season, when mediocre centers had their way with Hibbert

[BlueNGold]

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We'll see how good our defense from our C-rotation will be this year. I have no doubt it will be a LOT less, instead of just marginally less, then in previous years.

Roy was most helpful against those players who wanted to go to the rack hard...right at the defense...like LeBron. He will indeed be missed in the short term against LeBron. Otherwise, nah. In 2 or 3 years, people are going to be so happy he's gone because we will be in much better hands at the C position.

[BlueNGold]

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I'm not going to be rolling until I see Myles Turner light him up...or maybe when Kyle Korver swats another one of his sorry post-ups. SMH...

He's not going to be rolling until his next competitive basketball game, the first time he falls down and goes boom. Like 30 seconds into the contest. I hope to never again see a Pacer so frustratingly ineffective in the post.

[Strummer]

Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

Finally got around to changing my twitter handle. Y'all rolling or nah???

— Roy Hibbert (@Roy_Meets_World) September 5, 2015

[PacersPride]

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You are the one who brought up the idea. You said, in no uncertain terms, you would compile it.



You previously stated that the 100 game stats would come from his time as a Pacer, not from future games. It is, after all, his time as a Pacer which you have continued to rant about.

What makes the difference if the last 100 exhibit average play or the next 100. Its all the same right. I simply defer to Boyles pov at this point and am at complete peace. Simply looking forward to this season, not whats behind.

If it means that much sure I would post, but as you clearly state below. It all falls on deaf ears.

[Tom White]

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Why bother,...... What difference will a 100 game sample size make when you apparently disregard Mark Boyles opinion.

You are the one who brought up the idea. You said, in no uncertain terms, you would compile it.

** Since you request I will oblige as stated. The next 82-100 games of Roys Laker career I will keep you posted.

You previously stated that the 100 game stats would come from his time as a Pacer, not from future games. It is, after all, his time as a Pacer which you have continued to rant about.

[PacersPride]

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Sometimes stopping the argument just means people are tired of banging their head against the same wall. The last word does not automatically mean everyone has to acknowledge you correct, it just means there is no point.

I respect Boyle's opinion. Brunner's opinion seems to get respected only to the degree someone agrees with it. However, taking an opinion of one area and extrapolating it to every other area of argument is false equivalency and an appeal to false authority.

No one here in this thread is arguing Roy was a good citizen these last few years. Shifting the argument about his personal statistics to an argument about his effect on the locker room is moving the goalposts.

Agreed. There is nothing left at this juncture that has not been said already. Boyle and Birds candid insights trump all in my book. Not cause its waht I see as well, but because those two I trust most along with Vogel as it entails all things Indiana Pacers. Been called some nasty vile things defending my position, not going to play victim cause i gave it right back. But for me this subject is closed. What Roy does from here will be up to him. Wish him all the best out in LA, but his days as a Pacer are over. For which I am thoroughly grateful.

Boyle confirming approval of Birds deal to trade 55 is the final piece of the puzzle. At this point, all the best to Roy in Lakerland, but I am sincerely enthusiastic about what these two rooke bigs can bring to the court. Not right away of course, but by playoff time, they could be ready to contribute.

Bird gets a deal done for Markief and I see no reason other than PG's Recovery this team cannot make the ECF this season and beyond.

Currently, we have talent at the Big position. Only way for it to improve, playing time. Trading Roy created that opportunity as well as financial flexibility.

PF: Hill, Lavoy, Bud, Solo
C: Mahinmi, Turner, Whitt, Christmas

I dont see Roy's numbers out in LA better if any than Mahinmi here in Indiana. And with the transition to uptempo, Roy was going to be very limited in such respect.


* Appreciate the vote in the Bird pole. Way to stay classy.

[PacersPride]

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If you want them, make them. I doubt any of those have staying power. It would be interesting, however, to see if people talk about GH, Lance and Roy in any of them.

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May be mispoken but I believe an all things DWest for the next year has been posted.

[PacersPride]

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Just checking in on the progress of that 100 game sample size you were putting together. Getting closer?

Why bother, if Mark Boyles commentary is not good enough for you, nothing is. What difference will a 100 game sample size make when you apparently disregard Mark Boyles opinion. Face it, its not about whats best, its about being right for you it seems.

Of which, Bird, Boyle, Brunner, and the entire lg that only values Roy as worthy of 2nd rounder disagrees with your position. But what difference does that make when a single skewed statistic trumps them all! Right !

Not wasting my time with someone that thinks they know whats best over Mark Boyle on the subject. Its in print what Boyle confirmed, yet still needed is a 100 game sample size of roys pathetic attempt to play basektball the last two seasons to sway your opinion.

Time to cut the act and Own up. There is nothing one can add to what Mark Boyle endorsed from Conrad Bruners article. The evaluation should have ceased after Legends press conference. Then again after the league only valued Roy as a Plan C type option in exchange for a 2nd round pick.

Not much more can honestly be spoken above both Larry Bird and Mark Boyle. tis' the dirty elephant in the room no one is willing to discuss.



** Since you request I will oblige as stated. The next 82-100 games of Roys Laker career I will keep you posted.

I as well as many look forward to what Roy has to offer 52 games out West (Gasol, Duncan, LMA, Gobert, Cousins, Jordan, Chandler, Towns, Zaza, Dwight Howard, Bogut, Kanter, AD/ Asik). With it being out in LA, Lakers will be on the tv often. Should be good times with Kobe back for LA.

[spazzxb]

Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

Should combine this thread with the Lance thread and just make it all things x Pacers for the next year "or so"....If not we need to make a David West, CJ Watson and most definitely a Chris Copeland

If you want them, make them. I doubt any of those have staying power. It would be interesting, however, to see if people talk about GH, Lance and Roy in any of them.

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