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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

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  • #16
    Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
    LaVoy is a 4 Ian is a 5. I think LaVoy can develop into a consistent 12 and 12 guy for us. Just gotta develop him. he's a player who really was never developed. Just like the Sixers are doing now, they're just adding assets they'll most likely never use. I am warming up to the idea of him starting at PF next season over chasing a Monroe or Milsap.

    I think money is better spent or trade assets better spent in revamping the back court.
    We're playing a lot of time with 2 pf's on the court. Like it or not when Ian returns we'll see a lot less of the West/Allen lineup. Ian will still get his 20 minutes and it will have to come from somewhere. Our backcourt is fine with PG and GH and not a priorty. We'll be able to add an MLE player next year via free agency while losing Scola and Stuckey. We can't chase any major free agent next summer but we might need to bring in another backup guard or try to use that money to keep Stuckey. I'm hopeful we'll find the guy for West to groom as his replacement in the draft.
    Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

    Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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    • #17
      Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

      Cope is a good backup stretch 4. He could be effective coming off the bench for 12-20 mpg. The problem, as far as the Pacers are concerned, is that they can not find minutes for him. West, Scola and Allen are all better.

      As far as next season is concerned, I am convinced that West will return. We would be wise to resign Allen. That would be an ideal setup for the 4 spot. West could start and play about 28 mpg. That would keep his minutes down. Bring Allen off the bench for 20 mpg. West could also mentor Allen and maybe...just maybe Allen would improve enough to step in as the starter when West retires.

      We would be wise to trade Copeland this season, IMO, for a proven backup wing. Miles has a history of missing games so to have a legitimate wing to pick up some minutes would be helpful.

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      • #18
        Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

        You guys are not giving Grimp enough credit for 'Dr. Frankenstein'.
        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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        • #19
          Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

          Originally posted by Grimp View Post
          I'd play him over Scola. I just like that he spaces the floor. You leave him open it's automatic 3 points. Spacing the floor is what the NBA is all about these days.
          Luis frusturates the hell out of me, but he is not at invalid like you make him out to be.

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          • #20
            Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

            Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
            You guys are not giving Grimp enough credit for 'Dr. Frankenstein'.
            Oh, I missed that. I always wondered what Frank's full name was. Does that make Nate Igor?

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            • #21
              Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
              Luis frusturates the hell out of me, but he is not at invalid like you make him out to be.
              I know, but I just like the spacing Cope gives us. Today's NBA is all about spacing.

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              • #22
                Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

                Personally, I believe our team is just built as a "traditional" team, and doesn't need a stretch 4. I think we should trade Copeland for a pure non-scoring PG to slide George Hill to the SG, and run with a West/Allen/Ian/Hibbert frontcourt. However and depending on S. Hill continues to develop, I would be perfectly fine with a Starting 5 of G. Hill/S. Hill/George/West/Hibbert. I love me a big defensive lineup.


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • #23
                  Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

                  It is funny how 5 seasons ago people referred to Jim O'Brien as satan. now some are enamored with stretch 4's. Get Troy Murphy on the phone!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Now that the Copepland as a 3 experiment failed, can we put him back at the 4?

                    Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                    It is funny how 5 seasons ago people referred to Jim O'Brien as satan. now some are enamored with stretch 4's. Get Troy Murphy on the phone!
                    Jim had everybody shooting the 3 and no one playing defense. I think this team needs to strike a balance between the two that is beneficial on both ends. Our rep is, we play elite defense but can't score for *****.... which will undoubtedly mean we'll get mopped up by a lot of high scoring teams.

                    I am not saying we need scorers at EVERY POSITION.... but getting a back court that features two players capable of scoring 20 ppg just like Paul can would help a lot. Miles is not a starting 2, he's a bench player and physically shouldn't be relied on to start. He does bruise easily on occasion although right now he's caught the upper resp. going around the team, not his fault.

                    But George Hill is a good player, we just need something more effective at the point like a player with Monta Ellis's skills. Can break down the defense whenever he wants, create his own shot, requires a double team at times, etc. But can also get 10 assists in any game. That's why Reggie Jackson is such a good fit. Isaiah Thomas as well.

                    I'd like to have Dragic but he seems to be sleepwalking this season. I am not sure if that's because he's one of 3 point guards on the team, or maybe he's cruising into free agency? Not sure.
                    Last edited by Grimp; 12-29-2014, 10:46 AM.

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