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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Paul George..... get well, man.

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    Paul George..... get well, man.

    I've had a few days to digest what I watched live on Friday night. I had just sat down at the computer, looked at the clock and thought, "Oh yea, PG is playing in that exhibition tonight for Team USA, it's probably half over, but what the hell, I'll tune in and see what's up."

    So I did. Paul George was the only reason I tuned in. I otherwise would've went bout doing other stuff that night. But it was PG. So tune in, I did.

    Paul George is my favorite player in the NBA. He's also my young son's favorite player. He'll tell you that. He's only five, and his favorite Pacer since he was three is Paul George. His jersey is the only current Pacer that we both own. The kid goes absolutely ape nuts when they even show PG on TV sitting on the bench. He jumps around like we won the championship when PG hits a free throw.

    I regard PG as that guy that the Pacers finally got. That superstar of superstars that I've always wanted on this team. He's young, he's a physical specimen, he seems like a fantastic guy --- he's fantastic. I think he's incredible as a player, as a personality, as a representative, as a cool dude that everyone seems to love.

    I won't lie; I've had thoughts in the past after incidents like the Kevin Ware incident, "Man, I hope I never see one of 'those' types of injuries during a game. I can't stomach it. I don't know what I'd do if it was someone on my favorite team."

    I see Harden get open down court for what's likely to be a mostly uncontested dunk/layup. And then I see, not surprisingly, the form of Paul George closing ground in a way that only he and LeBron James can. I think, "Oh yea here comes PG to put an end to this Harden scoring nonsense." And they go up...and they come down.... And I see Harden sorta do this look like he was upset that he missed a shot. And I see some bench players motion as if they are upset about a call. It hasn't registered yet in my mind. I just think this is typical post-foul antics. Looking back, I now realize taht I had misread the actions of Harden and teammates. It wasn't post-foul antics --- it was them knowing what had actually happened. I see PG go down, and he's behind the base and I see he's not getting up, but I can't really see him or make out what's going on. I think, "Come on PG, get up. You're good, dude, right? Get up. You just got shaken up, right? Roll over, and get up, man."

    The commentators in the meanwhile are talking about something unrelated, as if they have no idea what just happened, and they likely didn't.

    The camera rolls back to do the typical instant-replay in slow-motion. Harden's coming down the court, the only guy in the vicinity is PG, he's honing in in PG-fashion to meet Harden at the apex, he's coming down and ----

    OHHHH, man.... Oh my God. No. Wake up. Wake the F up. Dammit --- WAKE UP.

    I saw it before they could stop the replay, a replay that should not have been shown. The announcers then acknowledge that the situation is a lot worse than originally thought. I don't need them to tell me that, I just saw it and my mind and stomach are upside down with instant grief. I know he's got a compound fracture.

    I immediately shut the TV off and the world starts to blacken. My stomach is turning. I go up to my wife, unable to speak. She sees me, and she's asking what's wrong. I can't answer. I lay down on the floor, just trying to remain conscious as I process what I just saw, what it means for PG, what it means for the Pacers and USA basketball.

    My favorite player. For my favorite team. Playing for his country. In a mostly meaningless game. A kid who up until now seemed almost superhuman physically --- someone that this shouldn't be possible for. His leg is bent in half in a way that should not be possible.

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    I'm still reeling, dudes. This has just been devastating. I know that they are saying he's got a great prognosis, but I've been just absolutely crushed about this entire thing. A fantastic person and player was subjected to a injury that is nightmarish.

    I think back and realize I can't recall such an injury to such a high-profile player at the crux of his career. The basketball world is being robbed of a year of an incredible player's prime years, when he's supposed to be proving year after year that he's continuing to improve and become one of the best players in the game. He's supposed to be making us a perennial championship-contender.

    And he's lying in a hospital, recovering from having had his leg in a position that I can't erase from my memory. I feel so...... so..... terrible for him. I wish to God that it had never happened; that I had never seen it. It still feels like a nightmare the 20 times a day it pops into my head. Paul George suffered a compound fracture --- is this for real? Not possible....

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    It's hard not to think that this franchise isn't cursed, you know? This fanbase has been subjected to events in the past decade that few fanbases have. Why?

    This has all been very hard to digest.

    But.... despite what has been my absolute worst basketball-related nightmare...

    I'm comforted. The outpouring of love and support for PG across the nation has been just absolutely astounding and heart-warming. PG's fanbase is now the nation. Who isn't rooting for this guy?

    I'm comforted knowing that he is in the best medical hands likely possible with deep pockets making sure that his recovery astounds us.

    And then again, I'm comforted by PG himself, because I think back and know that he is one awesome dude. He's gotten this far having a will of iron and an incredible work ethic. He has backed off from no one and no thing.

    And it's been 2-3 days now, and I haven't seen an official Get Well PG thread on this forum yet, which is really surprising to me.

    So here it is:

    Paul George --- my son and I... Pacer Nation.... the State of Indiana... the United States of America... people all across the world... are rooting for you and praying for you every day. Stay strong, hang in there, come back when you are ready, because we want to see you step on that court again and do what you do and bring pleasure to our fanbase as you have done so many times. Very proud of how far you've come with the Pacers, how well you've represented us. We absolutely look forward to 2015 when you come back and take your place as the leader of this team, having overcome what very, very few athletes at your level have overcome. Godspeed.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 08-03-2014, 11:23 PM.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
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    Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

    At least he can use this year off to get more acquainted with his 2 month old daughter.

    http://newsone.com/3026053/paul-george-daniela-rajic/

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    • #3
      Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

      So...you're saying you had just tuned in? DAMN IT, IT WAS YOU

      In seriousness....good post

      I was in Georgia watching at a hotel, coincidentally I also watched IU lose the 2002 title game at a hotel in Georgia, needless to say that state is dead to me now. Anyhoo, I drove back today and as we were coming in on 65North just by Greenwood there is one of those changing billboards. I was bummed the whole drive back, we did it in two days half sat and half sunday, the injury had just been on my mind. Even with all the positive news, whcih I do truly believe, it was like operating in a haze. Anyway back to the story, the billboard changes and it's a ble background with gold text and honestly I don't remember the exact message, but it was for Paul and it was sponsored by the ownership group of the billboard. It said something like "Paul, Indy is behind you the whole way" it brought a smile to my face. I remember how this city embraced the team after the brawl in that immediate following season, I think a similar thing will happen here, only PG didn't fight any fans and isn't a crazy person.

      I can't wait for his return.

      See PG Fly.
      Last edited by Trader Joe; 08-03-2014, 11:22 PM.


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      • #4
        Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

        Great post

        I think all Pacers fans can agree, that it has not been a fun week for any of us at all. I was also watching it live, and honestly when PG went down, I thought to myself oh hes just flopping, get up PG. Like you said the announcers were talking about something else, and they showed the replay again, and me half paying attention missed the actual leg injury. So as time goes on, I was thinking whats going? Why is he taking so long to get up? Thats when the announcers mentioned that unfortunately, it appears that the injury is very serious. At that point my heart just sank to be honest. Thats when a friend of mine pulled up the replay, and we found out just how severe in the injury was. I truly wish PG the best, and I hope and pray for a speedy recovery for him.
        Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 08-03-2014, 11:45 PM.

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          Re: Paul George..... get well, man.


          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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            Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

            As I was reading paragraphs 6-11 my heart starting racing and my head started spinning so bad I had to put my iPad down. Reading that was like experiencing it again. I've had a very hard time coming to terms just like everyone else. I said in another thread, I think I'm going to have PTSD watching basketball, especially during plays like that. I wish I had never watched the replay, it's impossible to forget. I would honestly have a hard time seeing that happen to anybody, but seeing it happen to PG and watching it live made it so much worse.

            I do wish wish PG the best and I know he'll come back and be the best he can possibly be. This is a major setback, but I have complete faith that he will put in the work and then some.

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            • #7
              Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

              I was really hoping it wasn't an ACL tear. Then I saw the slow-mo.... It was stomach churning. But thank God it wasn't Shaun Livingston all over again .

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              • #8
                Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

                Minor setback for a major comeback.

                Simple as that.

                We've got complete confidence that you'll work as hard as you can to get back on the floor. During this downtime though, make sure you know you've got an ENTIRE fanbase that is completely behind you 100%.

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                • #9
                  Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

                  I think it should be a rule that someone watches replays of injuries before airing them live. And if they are going to show the replay do it with extreme warnings of what you're about to see. It's frankly irresponsible to broadcast that stuff when children are watching. Hell, I'm a grown man and that's something I NEVER want to see happen to anybody. The major networks and the league need to look into this. How difficult would it be to play the replay on a screen for the commentators after an injury before airing it live? It's a little upsetting to me.

                  EDIT: With that said, and in the spirit of the thread; GET WELL SOON, PG! We're all rooting for you.

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                    Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Paul George..... get well, man.

                      Im just hoping he comes back 100% healthy physically and mentally.

                      And he continues to develop as a player.

                      PG controls his destiny and I believe he will be a HOF player still.

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