Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

[Tom White]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

Things like him yelling at the players to MOVE, and they made no effort to do it. If I'm coaching and the players just ignore it when I tell them to move, I'm putting someone in who will listen.

That is just one example. Another would be when he would call a play, and you could tell by his reaction they didn't run it.

[3rdStrike]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

The two most overrated parts of Lance's game. Lance was average to bad on defense last year, and most of Lance's rebounds were not of the kind where he is boxing his guy out and fighting for a rebound. There should be little to no drop off in both of those areas.

What are you basing that on? Lance is a plus defender, this is fairly well known.

I'm not touching the rebounding thing, because you actually said Roy will average 2 more boards per game for the whole season. Bookmarked!

[Taterhead]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

You've obviously never played basketball or else you would know this isn't close to being the truth at all whatsoever. Rebounding has little to do with height. It's all about positioning, timing and aggression. Height, length, and athleticism help, but having any of the 3 does not automatically make you a good rebounder by any stretch.

No rebounding is all about position, timing, aggression and STEALING THEM, lol

[sav]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

You don't have to know, you can tell by his actions. He has Rarely benched players.

[joew8302]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I agree with the idea of Vogel telling a player he will be benched if a, b, or c does or does not happen.

The problem is Vogel has had numerous opportunities to do this in the past, and has never done it. He needs to be tougher in this regard.

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

[aamcguy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Even if Lance stole "all" his rebounds there is no reason Hibbert can't get 1 rebound. He is 7ft. He should get 5 rebounds a game by just standing there

What do you mean can't get 1? He averaged 6.6 for the year. While not a great number, George hill, Paul George, and lance Stephenson were all above average rebounders for their positions.

[Ace E.Anderson]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Even if Lance stole "all" his rebounds there is no reason Hibbert can't get 1 rebound. He is 7ft. He should get 5 rebounds a game by just standing there

You've obviously never played basketball or else you would know this isn't close to being the truth at all whatsoever. Rebounding has little to do with height. It's all about positioning, timing and aggression. Height, length, and athleticism help, but having any of the 3 does not automatically make you a good rebounder by any stretch.

[BornIndy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I'm going to assume Roy will average 14 rebounds next year since Lance stole all of his rebounds.

Even if Lance stole "all" his rebounds there is no reason Hibbert can't get 1 rebound. He is 7ft. He should get 5 rebounds a game by just standing there

[Tom White]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I am not ready to write off G Hill yet. From my point of view, Lance was mostly playing for a contract. His and Paul turnovers were mind boggling because of them trying to do too much. With Lance gone, I want to see more stability and cohesion and I think this could only help G Hill. However, Vogel needs to let G Hill know from the very beginning that he will not be afraid to bench him if nothing changes. I guess what I am saying, I dont think G Hill can be blamed for the entire offense stagnation. It was more two people trying to do too much and turning the ball over. We all have to admit when G Hill is playing at a high level, he can be one best players in the game. I would not trade Hibbert. I dont think we can make the playoffs with out him.

I agree with the idea of Vogel telling a player he will be benched if a, b, or c does or does not happen.

The problem is Vogel has had numerous opportunities to do this in the past, and has never done it. He needs to be tougher in this regard.

[LazyDaze]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I am not ready to write off G Hill yet. From my point of view, Lance was mostly playing for a contract. His and Paul turnovers were mind boggling because of them trying to do too much. With Lance gone, I want to see more stability and cohesion and I think this could only help G Hill. However, Vogel needs to let G Hill know from the very beginning that he will not be afraid to bench him if nothing changes. I guess what I am saying, I dont think G Hill can be blamed for the entire offense stagnation. It was more two people trying to do too much and turning the ball over. We all have to admit when G Hill is playing at a high level, he can be one best players in the game. I would not trade Hibbert. I dont think we can make the playoffs with out him.

[BRushWithDeath]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I'm going to assume Roy will average 14 rebounds next year since Lance stole all of his rebounds.

Sarcasm is duly noted but the Pacers did rebound slightly better when Lance sat last year than when he played.

[Kstat]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I disagree that Stuckey is a terrible ball handler. He's very good at creating his own offense off the dribble. It's actually what he does best.

All of the above is true.

Stuckey is not a terrible ballhandler at all. It's how he keeps is turnovers down despite being a horrendous passer.

As long as he has a spaced floor and is under no pressure at all to find the open man, he's fine. That's his wheelhouse.

[Eleazar]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

If what you are saying is true that means a guy like Roy will average more because the Roy defenders Lance always stole his rebounds, right?

I expect Roy's rebounds go up by two per game to where it was the two seasons prior to last.

[flox]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

At the beginning of this last year they tried mix it up and get uptempo and they completely fell apart, and quickly reverted back to being a power post team, and saved their season.

I'm sure getting Marc Gasol back helped. At least, I'd hate to watch a power post version of us without West.

[PacersHomer]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I'm going to assume Roy will average 14 rebounds next year since Lance stole all of his rebounds.