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  • The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

    Here's the draft order with the PD GM listed after the team. Picks will be listed in this post after they're made.

    1 - Washington - Avoidingtheclowns - John Wall, PG, Kentucky
    2 - Philadelphia - LoneGranger33 - Evan Turner, SG, The Ohio State University
    3 - New Jersey - Travmil - Derrick Favors, PF, Georgia Tech
    4 - Minnesota - BRushWithDeath - DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kentucky
    5 - Sacramento - Rupert Stilinski - Wesley Johnson, SF, Syracuse
    6 - Golden State - Pig Nash - Greg Monroe, C, Georgetown
    7 - Detroit - 90'sNBARocked - Ed Davis, PF, North Carolina
    8 - LA Clippers - Tbird - Paul George, SG/SF, Fresno State
    9 - Utah - Speed - Al-Farouq Aminu, SF, Wake Forest
    10 - Indiana - Count55 - Ekpe Udoh, PF/C, Baylor
    11 - New Orleans - Pacers74 - Xavier Henry, SG, Kansas
    12 - Memphis - Mellifluous - Luke Babbitt, SF, Nevada
    13 - Toronto - GrangeRusHibbert - Hassan Whiteside, PF/C, Marshall
    14 - Houston - Mr. Sobchak - Cole Aldrich, C, Kansas
    15 - Milwaukee - Trophy - Avery Bradley, G, Texas
    16 - Minnesota - BRushWithDeath - Gordon Hayward, SF, Butler
    17 - Chicago - Trader Joe - James Anderson, SG, Oklahoma State
    18 - Miami - HanSolo - Eric Bledsoe, G, Kentucky
    19 - Boston - MyFavoriteMartin - Patrick Patterson, PF, Kentucky
    20 - San Antonio - Cramerica - Damion James, F, Texas
    21 - Oklahoma City - PacerGod2 - Soloman Alabi, C, Florida State
    22 - Portland - CooperManning - Daniel Orton, C, Kentucky
    23 - Minnesota - BRushWithDeath - Quincy Pondexter, SF, Washington
    24 - Atlanta - Flox - Stanley Robinson, F, Connecticut
    25 - Memphis - Mellifluous - Larry Sanders, PF/C, VCU
    26 - Oklahoma City - PacerGod2 - Kevin Seraphin, PF, France
    27 - New Jersey - Travmil - Elliot Williams, G, Memphis
    28 - Memphis - Mellifluous - Alexey Shved, PG, Russia
    29 - Orlando - CableKC
    30 - Washington - Avoidingtheclowns

    2nd Round

    31 - New Jersey - Travmil
    32 - Oklahoma City - PacerGod2
    33 - Sacramento - Rupert Stilinski
    34 - Golden State - Pig Nash
    35 - Washington - Avoidingtheclowns
    36 - Detroit - 90'sNBARocked
    37 - Milwaukee - Trophy
    38 - New York - PacerGuy
    39 - New York - PacerGuy
    40 - Indiana - Count55
    41 - Miami - HanSolo
    42 - Miami - HanSolo
    43 - LA Lakers - bhaas0532
    44 - Portland - CooperManning
    45 - Minnesota - BRushWithDeath
    46 - Phoenix - Isaac
    47 - Milwaukee - Trophy
    48 - Miami - HanSolo
    49 - San Antonio - Cramerica
    50 - Dallas - cdash
    51 - Oklahoma City - PacerGod2
    52 - Boston - MyFavoriteMartin
    53 - Atlanta - Flox
    54 - LA Clippers - Tbird
    55 - Utah - Speed
    56 - Minnesota - BRushWithDeath
    57 - Indiana - Count55
    58 - LA Lakers - bhaas0532
    59 - Orlando - CableKC
    60 - Phoenix - Isaac

    Instructions: It's pretty simple. You're the GM, your team exists as it is currently constructed. You can take any future considerations (ie, free agent departures into account). You can't trade the pick but you can certainly say, in your explanation, that you'd try your hardest because you don't like anyone left. Post your pick and a brief explanation of why you made the pick. If you're going to be gone and your pick is coming up, feel free to PM me with a contingency list.

    Yippee!
    Last edited by OakMoses; 06-21-2010, 12:09 AM.
    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

    - Salman Rushdie

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    Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

    Woohoo, just to make sure it's what "we" would do, not what we think the teams management would do? Correct?
    Last edited by Speed; 06-10-2010, 10:23 AM.

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      Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

      Bri-an Zou - bek

      (Clap-Clap-clapclapclap)

      Bri-an Zou-bek

      (Clap-Clap-clapclapclap)

      Well, ****, now somebody's going to try to trade up to the top 9 to get him.

      (And anybody considering taking Greg Monroe before the Pacers pick should simply look at the Miss Manners thread to see how I handle people who displease me.)

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        Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

        Originally posted by Speed View Post
        Woohoo, just to make sure it's what "we" would do, not what we think the teams management would do? Correct?
        Correct.
        "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

        - Salman Rushdie

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          Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

          Originally posted by count55 View Post
          Bri-an Zou - bek

          (Clap-Clap-clapclapclap)

          Bri-an Zou-bek

          (Clap-Clap-clapclapclap)

          Well, ****, now somebody's going to try to trade up to the top 9 to get him.

          (And anybody considering taking Greg Monroe before the Pacers pick should simply look at the Miss Manners thread to see how I handle people who displease me.)
          I'll trade you the #9/Greg Monroe for Granger and #10?

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            Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

            Originally posted by Speed View Post
            I'll trade you the #9/Greg Monroe for Granger and #10?
            You'd need to match salaries. Could you send back Memo?

            That way, I could have Monroe watch for a couple of seasons, then he'd be ready to get some backup minutes after Memo's contract expires in 2012.

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              Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

              Originally posted by count55 View Post
              You'd need to match salaries. Could you send back Memo?

              That way, I could have Monroe watch for a couple of seasons, then he'd be ready to get some backup minutes after Memo's contract expires in 2012.
              Only if I can have your best player too.....Troy Murphy. We may need a third team here, this is becoming blockbusterish.

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                Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                Only if I can have your best player too.....Troy Murphy. We may need a third team here, this is becoming blockbusterish.
                No D-Will ... No T-Murda

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                  Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                  Interesting season in DC. We were somehow able to get out of one cap-killing deal with fellow and his curiously misspelled first name and move several other pieces around. On top of some cap-space we’ve lucked our way into the #1 pick. So where does that leave us.

                  Gilbert Arenas / Randy Foye
                  Nick Young / Quinton Ross
                  Josh Howard / Al Thornton
                  Andray Blatche /
                  Javale McGee /

                  blue - team option / green - player option / red - qualifying offer


                  I can’t see us moving Gilbert’s contract in the near future (unless Donnie Walsh PacerGuy panics after striking out on big name FA’s this summer). We’d rather wait for Gil’s deal to reach a more buyout-able level than take on something like Toronto’s nightmare Calderglu contracts. Though we could be talked into absorbing Elton Brand’s deal if it includes the #2. It does seem likely, however, Gil won’t be moved for at least the near future.

                  We’ve spent weeks playing coy. We’ve worked out a number of folks for the top spot this year, pretending to be open minded about the process. But, if we’re honest, this one is pretty straightforward and we were thrilled to see that our number one target was still on the board.

                  With the number one pick, the Washington Wizards select ................ Kwame Brown John Wall.

                  Why? He's John ****ing Wall.

                  Beyond that? He's got great size for PG which would allow him to defend both backcourt positions, he's younger than Turner and has a greater upside. He is equally capable of creating his own shot and spots for others around him to thrive. He didn't exactly kill it from behind the arc but if he's going to be sharing the backcourt with Gil, that shouldn't be a problem, at least immediately. So a true PG that can create, defend and score? Sign us up.

                  We shall now wait for our next pick. Currently, plan A is to hope that Evan Turner falls to #30.
                  Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 06-10-2010, 11:35 AM.
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                    Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    Interesting season in DC. We were somehow able to get out of one cap-killing deal with fellow and his curiously misspelled first name and move several other pieces around. On top of some cap-space we’ve lucked our way into the #1 pick. So where does that leave us.

                    Gilbert Arenas / Randy Foye
                    Nick Young / Quinton Ross
                    Josh Howard / Al Thornton
                    Andray Blatche /
                    Javale McGee /

                    blue - team option / green - player option / red - qualifying offer


                    I can’t see us moving Gilbert’s contract in the near future (unless Donnie Walsh PacerGuy panics after striking out on big name FA’s this summer). We’d rather wait for Gil’s deal to reach a more buyout-able level than take on something like Toronto’s nightmare Calderglu contracts. Though we could be talked into absorbing Elton Brand’s deal if it includes the #2. It does seem likely, however, Gil won’t be moved for at least the near future.

                    We’ve spent weeks playing coy. We’ve worked out a number of folks for the top spot this year, pretending to be open minded about the process. But, if we’re honest, this one is pretty straightforward and we were thrilled to see that our number one target was still on the board.

                    With the number one pick, the Washington Wizards select ................ Kwame Brown John Wall.

                    Why? He's John ****ing Wall.

                    Beyond that? He's got great size for PG which would allow him to defend both backcourt positions, he's younger than Turner and has a greater upside. He is equally capable of creating his own shot and spots for others around him to thrive. He didn't exactly kill it from behind the arc but if he's going to be sharing the backcourt with Gil, that shouldn't be a problem, at least immediately. So a true PG that can create, defend and score? Sign us up.

                    We shall now wait for our next pick. Currently, plan A is to hope that Evan Turner falls to #30.
                    yo wtheck john wall? what a baaaad pick! what were you thinking!?
                    Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                      Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                      Time for Plan B I guess...


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                        Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                        John who? I haven't heard him mentioned, must be flying under the radar.

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                          Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                          I might be preempting things here a bit, but I'm guessing I can cross Paul George off my list of possible picks for the Grizzlies at #12. I've heard the new Clippers GM really likes him.
                          "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                          - Salman Rushdie

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                            Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                            Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
                            I might be preempting things here a bit, but I'm guessing I can cross Paul George off my list of possible picks for the Grizzlies at #12. I've heard the new Clippers GM really likes him.
                            Yeah, but my understanding is that it's just a "friends with benefits" kinda thing...no real commitment.

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                              Re: The 2nd (Quite Possibly) Annual "Bite Me BillS, I'm Not Going to Call it the PD Mock Draft, no matter what you say" Mock Draft Thread

                              With the number two pick, the Philadelphia 76ers select Evan Turner out of The Ohio State University.

                              Coming into this season in much the same way we did last - brand new coach, unsure what our players are really capable of - it is difficult to judge exactly what this team needs. At the 2nd pick in the draft, however, we really do have to go with the best player available, and I believe that player is Evan Turner.

                              I feel comfortable moving forward with a young core of Louis Williams, Thaddeus Young, Andre Iguodala, Jrue Holiday, Marreese Speights and now Evan Turner. I expect Coach Collins to eventually move Lou Williams back to the bench - we do not view him as a starter but definitely value his scoring and energy as the first guard off the bench. The future plan is to field a starting line-up of Holiday-Turner-Iguodala-Young-Dalembert, and have key reserves in Lou Williams and Marreese Speights (the latter of whom didn't blossom as hoped under Coach Jordan's system last season - obviously we expect a bounce back after your stereotypical sophmore slump).

                              Of course, it is the goal of the organization to rid itself of Elton Brand's unbearably large contract this off-season, and we hope (perhaps irrationally) to do so without losing too much in terms of young talent. That said, we are definitely more inclined to move one our current players than the pick, because we truly believe Turner will be a special player at the next level. We hope he'll fill the star player void that Allen Iverson's departure created, hopefully minus the tattoos and gun play.
                              Last edited by LG33; 06-10-2010, 02:18 PM.

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