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  • #16
    Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
    I think Brandon would be much better if the coach didn't force him to shoot. He might just be a Derrick McKey, Bruce Bowen, Doug Christie player instead of a Paul Pierce/Ron Artest type of player.

    If he was allowed to just go out there and focus on defense and rebounding, I think he would be more effective.
    This is pretty much what I expect out of Brandon, and I am happy with that. I think he can play SF quite well.

    The more this season goes on I want to see Danny playing the PF spot, move Rush to SF, and play Djones at SG. We should be playing our best defensive players together.

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    • #17
      Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

      Originally posted by Burtrem Redneck View Post
      This is pretty much what I expect out of Brandon, and I am happy with that. I think he can play SF quite well.

      The more this season goes on I want to see Danny playing the PF spot, move Rush to SF, and play Djones at SG. We should be playing our best defensive players together.
      Yep and it was during the win streak too.

      I was against Danny at PF, but I think it allows you get your best players on the floor and Danny isn't as undersized at the PF in today's game.

      I would like to see, DJones, Dunleavy, Granger, which I think is likely the way they'll start to close out games.

      Obie said he wants to come out of this West Coast trip with a rotation intact, I don't believe he will, but it'll be interesting to see if he tries to.

      Lastly, I was the guy that said go completely back to the defensive-minded group that put together that win streak and held oppenents to low scoring/shooting percentages.

      This is the bill of goods I was sold that defense would be the focus and what merits playing time. Evidently now it's plus/minus. Hard to keep up, really.

      Part of me is slightly hopeful because I think D. Jones can be a middle linebacker/defensive captain for this team.

      It would be nice if they could change the teams personality, but I don't think the personnell is there or at least won't be on the court enough.
      Last edited by Speed; 12-02-2009, 02:55 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

        my thoughts on rush are very similar to many of you. the main difference imho is that you dont sense that killer instinct...almost as though he were content with his collegiate achievements. aside from last month of last season, we havent really seen him rise (or try to) to the occasion and be a more dominant force on offense.
        at the same time, its pretty apparent that the pressure is getting to him, and he's going away from the versatility of his game and settling for 3s and jumpshots...and unfortunately is not hitting. rush has to know that hes not a pure shooter, and can offer a lot more to the table than just a weak 3 pt shot. maybe its the "sophmore slump," or maybe hes just not developing quite right, but i still think its too early to tell with him. hes frustrating as all hell, and i really hope he can turn the corner and be more comfortable and confident. this kid can have a legit future in the nba.
        Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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        • #19
          Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

          Originally posted by Trophy View Post
          Brandon is a great player and will improve. He has a bright NBA future hopefully with us.

          I don't understand the doubters. He's only in his second year and it's not playing as bad as people make it seem.
          I can't obviously speak for everyone my friend but I think its the fact that Rush seems to be regressing after such a promising last month of the season
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          • #20
            Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

            Originally posted by Speed View Post
            Yep and it was during the win streak too.

            I was against Danny at PF, but I think it allows you get your best players on the floor and Danny isn't as undersized at the PF in today's game.

            I would like to see, DJones, Dunleavy, Granger, which I think is likely the way they'll start to close out games.

            Obie said he wants to come out of this West Coast trip with a rotation intact, I don't believe he will, but it'll be interesting to see if he tries to.

            Lastly, I was the guy that said go completely back to the defensive-minded group that put together that win streak and held oppenents to low scoring/shooting percentages.

            This is the bill of goods I was sold that defense would be the focus and what merits playing time. Evidently now it's plus/minus. Hard to keep up, really.

            Part of me is slightly hopeful because I think D. Jones can be a middle linebacker/defensive captain for this team.

            It would be nice if they could change the teams personality, but I don't think the personnell is there or at least won't be on the court enough.

            lol, at that!!

            My man I think we have a better chance of falling in love with the same woman. I have come to realize OB is all politician, says whatever we want to hear
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            • #21
              Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

              Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
              I think Brandon would be much better if the coach didn't force him to shoot. He might just be a Derrick McKey, Bruce Bowen, Doug Christie player instead of a Paul Pierce/Ron Artest type of player.

              If he was allowed to just go out there and focus on defense and rebounding, I think he would be more effective.
              This is why PRIOR to the draft I warned everyone that Brandon was McKey at shooting guard, passive to a fault at times. He likes to play a thinking man's, role player game. I like that about him actually.

              What I don't like is JOB's system for him and the refusal to use him in a way that fits his talent. He's a go-between glue type, a make up the difference on a play guy. He's not your main player and usually doesn't want to be.

              This is why he looks best when playing off of the more dominating Dahntay and Granger. If he had a coach that ran more tradition half-court plays and a PG willing to work that system (getting minutes that is), he'd be a great fit.

              But then I think Price would be a solid PG to run that type of offense and that you would be better off centering around Roy with Danny getting his looks coming on passes out of the post than just chucking quickly on outside shots.



              BTW, there is also a reason why BAYLESS was traded too. Or did I miss the part where he was getting big minutes, was not in trade rumors and didn't see Portland go acquire yet another PG in Andre Miller.

              I liked other options at 13, but Rush is hardly a disaster. I think he and Roy have been mostly right on track, except that both are having their confidence undermined by JOB and/or his system.

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              • #22
                Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                and he's going away from the versatility of his game and settling for 3s and jumpshots.
                I thought we were talking about Rush, not Danny.

                Oh wait...


                When your star player is blowing the doors off of Reggie Miller's top 3PA per game rates, you have to consider what the system is telling all these guys to do.

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                • #23
                  Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  This is why PRIOR to the draft I warned everyone that Brandon was McKey at shooting guard, passive to a fault at times. He likes to play a thinking man's, role player game. I like that about him actually.

                  What I don't like is JOB's system for him and the refusal to use him in a way that fits his talent. He's a go-between glue type, a make up the difference on a play guy. He's not your main player and usually doesn't want to be.

                  This is why he looks best when playing off of the more dominating Dahntay and Granger. If he had a coach that ran more tradition half-court plays and a PG willing to work that system (getting minutes that is), he'd be a great fit.

                  But then I think Price would be a solid PG to run that type of offense and that you would be better off centering around Roy with Danny getting his looks coming on passes out of the post than just chucking quickly on outside shots.



                  BTW, there is also a reason why BAYLESS was traded too. Or did I miss the part where he was getting big minutes, was not in trade rumors and didn't see Portland go acquire yet another PG in Andre Miller.

                  I liked other options at 13, but Rush is hardly a disaster. I think he and Roy have been mostly right on track, except that both are having their confidence undermined by JOB and/or his system.

                  2 great points Seth, although one could argue that Bayless at least has shown capable of exploding in limited minutes
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                  • #24
                    Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                    BTW Speed, great advice on the coaching aspect.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                      Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                      2 great points Seth, although one could argue that Bayless at least has shown capable of exploding in limited minutes
                      And Brandon didn't last year down the stretch? I was at that final game when he and Danny just went nuts.

                      This is identical to his games at Kansas. Typically he was more comfortable letting Chalmers be the main guy with the ball and Arthur being the main point of attack. The plan would be to feed the post and Rush would then fill in the play off of that, whatever was needed.

                      So he'd go long stretches of not being active as a scorer or passing over shots. Then he'd have a game here and there where he'd just go off for huge scoring. But that was under the umbrella of Chalmers and Arthur and even Collins being more of the focus.

                      To me he fared best when he was able to read plays and find a need he could fill on the fly. And I think we've seen that with the Pacers too. Just look at his rebounding in the Clippers game. He was noticeably aggressive on the glass all game and had the box score to back it.

                      Maybe you don't need rebounds from your SG per se, but then that's not what he always does. I think even now while he's "slumping" he's looking for a way to impact the game.

                      I think the issue is that JOB's style, especially they "hey, your open, shoot it" mindset does not match with his jack-of-all-trades behind the scenes attitude. To me his entire game goes exactly against quick shooting because your open. I think he wants to play off of set plays and established roles.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                        Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                        lol, at that!!

                        My man I think we have a better chance of falling in love with the same woman. I have come to realize OB is all politician, says whatever we want to hear
                        I've called JOB "slimy car salesman like" since his first month here, but politician works too.
                        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                        • #27
                          Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          This is why PRIOR to the draft I warned everyone that Brandon was McKey at shooting guard, passive to a fault at times. He likes to play a thinking man's, role player game. I like that about him actually.

                          What I don't like is JOB's system for him and the refusal to use him in a way that fits his talent. He's a go-between glue type, a make up the difference on a play guy. He's not your main player and usually doesn't want to be.

                          This is why he looks best when playing off of the more dominating Dahntay and Granger. If he had a coach that ran more tradition half-court plays and a PG willing to work that system (getting minutes that is), he'd be a great fit.
                          Persuasive argument, Seth -- and one that makes me feel better about him. Thanks!

                          Maybe we should start calling him "Elmer" (glue, not Fudd). Or does T-wil already have that nickname for you?


                          "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                          - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                            It's so frustrating to watch Rush play. You look at the shots he gets, and wonder why he is not hitting them when is wide open a lot of the times. It's always a bit shaky when he puts it on the floor, and he simply doesn't finish at the rim. His defense is probably the best part of his game right now. He has all the physical tools to be a great 2 guard in the NBA. But mentally he just doesn't seem to be able to pull together, and gather the confidence to make it happen. I want so badly to see him knock down some of those jumpers he gets, I mean he is wide open a lot of the times, teams must be slacking off and not respecting his shot - for good reason.

                            I hope he proves us all wrong and turns it around!
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                            • #29
                              Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                              Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                              I think Brandon would be much better if the coach didn't force him to shoot. He might just be a Derrick McKey, Bruce Bowen, Doug Christie player instead of a Paul Pierce/Ron Artest type of player.

                              If he was allowed to just go out there and focus on defense and rebounding, I think he would be more effective.
                              JOB, just send him out there with the assignment to concentrate on trying to lock down whoever he's guarding, go to the glass, and get an occasional garbage hoop. Then see if some offensive spark follows. If not, at least we get an above average defensive and rebounding option out of the deal, which would be still be great for a fourth option on offense.
                              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Strong Comments on Rush/O'Brien

                                Originally posted by odeez View Post
                                It's so frustrating to watch Rush play. You look at the shots he gets, and wonder why he is not hitting them when is wide open a lot of the times. It's always a bit shaky when he puts it on the floor, and he simply doesn't finish at the rim. His defense is probably the best part of his game right now. He has all the physical tools to be a great 2 guard in the NBA. But mentally he just doesn't seem to be able to pull together, and gather the confidence to make it happen. I want so badly to see him knock down some of those jumpers he gets, I mean he is wide open a lot of the times, teams must be slacking off and not respecting his shot - for good reason.

                                I hope he proves us all wrong and turns it around!
                                Exactly
                                Sittin on top of the world!

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