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Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

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  • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

    You said you don't have love affairs with underachievers. I'm pointing out that your favorite sports teams are.... underachievers. Not hard to connect the dots.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      Yes, my fault for thinking people would have consistency in their views. We're good now. If there's any question, it's my fault. I apologize from the deepest part of my underachieving heart.
      Based on your responses you either cant read, ignore or are not capable of comprehension. You are however, quite capable of being condescending and disrespectful
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        Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
        Based on your responses you either cant read, ignore or are not capable of comprehension. You are however, quite capable of being condescending and disrespectful
        Except you did flatly contradict yourself. No matter how you feel about how he said it.
        Time for a new sig.

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        • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          You said you don't have love affairs with underachievers. I'm pointing out that your favorite sports teams are.... underachievers. Not hard to connect the dots.
          The original question was, "Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?" As an Indianapolis resident, I figured I would give my opinion. My opinion was Reggie > Peyton, with the basis that Peyton underachieved while Reggie overachieved when it mattered most. I made the comment, "I guess I don't have love affairs with underachievers." This was a direct response to Shade which indicated the single championship made all the difference. To me it doesn't. Peyton underachieved while Reggie overachieved, simple as that. We are talking about #1 and #2 on my favorite Indiana athletes ever list. And now because I feel that Peyton underachieved, I'm not allowed to like Purdue and the Cleveland Indians? Let me guess, I'm looking at different dots than you?

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          • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

            Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
            Except you did flatly contradict yourself. No matter how you feel about how he said it.
            Uh...excuse me i most certainly and flatly did not...

            I never once said Brady was better than Manning...ever...i never even offered an opinion on the matter...i did interject a couple of facts alone..and then clearly stated that using the rationale of some...but never once did i say anything about my believing Brady is better than Manning. Fact of the matter is I cant stand Brady. And would pick Manning over Brady every time, in spite of the fact Manning has choked on more than once occasion against them and others. Seems we need a reading comprehension course maybe.
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            • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

              Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
              The original question was, "Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?" As an Indianapolis resident, I figured I would give my opinion. My opinion was Reggie > Peyton, with the basis that Peyton underachieved while Reggie overachieved when it mattered most. I made the comment, "I guess I don't have love affairs with underachievers." This was a direct response to Shade which indicated the single championship made all the difference. To me it doesn't. Peyton underachieved while Reggie overachieved, simple as that. We are talking about #1 and #2 on my favorite Indiana athletes ever list. And now because I feel that Peyton underachieved, I'm not allowed to like Purdue and the Cleveland Indians? Let me guess, I'm looking at different dots than you?

              I didn't say you couldn't root for them, nor did I imply it. I was just pointing out the irony in saying you don't love underachievers, when you clearly do because all the sports teams that you rep are underachievers. That's not an insult, nor was it intended to be.

              Peyton is an underachiever, and he's my favorite player. You've already pointed out my BSU logo, and they are most certainly underachievers. I just thought it was funny to portray one thing, while portraying the exact opposite. You've taken an intended joke to much further depths than what it was supposed to be.
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                Uh...excuse me i most certainly and flatly did not...

                I never once said Brady was better than Manning...ever...i never even offered an opinion on the matter...i did interject a couple of facts alone..and then clearly stated that using the rationale of some...but never once did i say anything about my believing Brady is better than Manning. Fact of the matter is I cant stand Brady. And would pick Manning over Brady every time, in spite of the fact Manning has choked on more than once occasion against them and others. Seems we need a reading comprehension course maybe.
                Then what was your point in mentioning Brady's record vs PManning?
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  I'm kind of dry from the popcorn. Anyone got a 1/2 glass of water ??

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                  • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                    Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                    Uh...excuse me i most certainly and flatly did not...

                    I never once said Brady was better than Manning...ever...i never even offered an opinion on the matter...i did interject a couple of facts alone..and then clearly stated that using the rationale of some...but never once did i say anything about my believing Brady is better than Manning. Fact of the matter is I cant stand Brady. And would pick Manning over Brady every time, in spite of the fact Manning has choked on more than once occasion against them and others. Seems we need a reading comprehension course maybe.
                    Readers can't be responsible for what you think but don't post. There was no reading comprehension error, there was an articulation error. As evidenced by the fact that several posters took what you said the same way.

                    Now that you've stated your opinion this way, it begs the question: What was the point in mentioning Brady's superior record versus Manning as an argument against Brady not being a flawless QB?
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      You've taken an intended joke to much further depths than what it was supposed to be.
                      Your not very good at comedy.

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                      • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        Then what was your point in mentioning Brady's record vs PManning?
                        No point...hence why you need to pay attention....its a simple fact...if i had a point or opinion...i wouldve stated such...but i didnt...i simply interjected a fact into the conversation...
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                        • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                          Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                          Your not very good at comedy.
                          You're*
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            So Brady is better than Peyton, because Brady has beaten Peyton more. Eli isn't better than Brady, even though Eli has beaten Brady more. Consistency in logic, FTW.
                            1) Because they play some other games, quite a few of them actually!

                            2a) In those other games, Peyton and Brady show that they are among the elite quarterbacks of all time.

                            2b) Eli on the other hand shows that he's wildly erratic, with a few very good seasons, with a lot of so-so seasons, and with an number of absolutely horrid seasons in which he throws INTs at an alarming rate and gives him team no chance to win, like the season he is having now. Crazily he even has some overall so-so seasons where he gets extremely hot at the end and his team squeaks into the playoffs in the last few weeks as a low seed and crazily he carries that hot streak throughout the playoffs.

                            3) When two but not three of the quarterbacks in question have passed the smell test as to their total body of work, it is quite reasonable to consider their head-to-head results, particularly when they have had comparable overall success (one leading his team to the most number of regular season wins in a decade in NFL history, the other leading his team to the most number of total wins in a decade in NFL history, with both on target to be in the top 3 of so of just about every career QB stat imaginable).

                            It's not really that hard. Head-to-head is a consideration in cases where the total body of work is a close call. Eli vs. Peyton or Eli vs. Brady is not a close call, at all.

                            Philip Rivers vs. Peyton is not a close call at all either, and I'd guess (without looking it up) that PR has the head-to-head advantage, or that it's nearly even. Yet they are not, IMO, having similar careers.
                            Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 10-24-2013, 01:40 PM.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                              Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                              1) Because they play some other games, quite a few of them actually!

                              2a) In those other games, Peyton and Brady show that they are among the elite quarterbacks of all time.

                              2b) Eli on the other hand shows that he's wildly erratic, with a few very good seasons, with a lot of so-so seasons, and with an number of absolutely horrid seasons in which he throws INTs at an alarming rate and gives him team no chance to win, like the season he is having now. Crazily he even has some overall so-so seasons where he gets extremely hot at the end and his team squeaks into the playoffs in the last few weeks as a low seed and crazily he carries that hot streak throughout the playoffs.

                              3) When two but not three of the quarterbacks in question have passed the smell test as to their total body of work, it is quite reasonable to consider their head-to-head results, particularly when they have had comparable overall success (one leading his team to the most number of regular season wins in a decade in NFL history, the other leading his team to the most number of total wins in a decade in NFL history, with both on target to be in the top 3 of so of just about every career QB stat imaginable).

                              It's not really that hard. Head-to-head is a consideration in cases where the total body of work is a close call. Eli vs. Peyton or Eli vs. Brady is not a close call, at all.

                              Philip Rivers vs. Peyton is not a close call at all either, and I'd guess (without looking it up) that PR has the head-to-head advantage, or that it's nearly even.
                              An intelligent post with clearly laid out logic without the use of broad absolutes has no place in a thread like this. This is a Manning vs. Brady thread!


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                              • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                                Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                                No point...hence why you need to pay attention....its a simple fact...if i had a point or opinion...i wouldve stated such...but i didnt...i simply interjected a fact into the conversation...
                                Except you phrased your "simple fact" in the form of a rebuttal. I'm calling BS on this one here.
                                Time for a new sig.

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