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Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

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  • #16
    Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

    He's calling it ridiculous because of the poison pill in the last year. The Knicks are smart to not match that. I don't see anything wrong with what Melo said.
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    • #17
      Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

      Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
      True, but there is no benefit to Lynn from backloading the deal. A balanced structure would actually be better for Lynn. That's why I expect he wanted out of NY.

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      He wanted out of NY because it was obvious that Melo didn't like him. The Knicks were playing well with Lin for too many games for him to be a fluke. Then as soon as Melo comes back, they started sucking. Then Lin is benched and they go on a run. Pretty obvious Melo sabotaged things for Lin so B Diddy could start.

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      • #18
        Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        He wanted out of NY because it was obvious that Melo didn't like him. The Knicks were playing well with Lin for too many games for him to be a fluke. Then as soon as Melo comes back, they started sucking. Then Lin is benched and they go on a run. Pretty obvious Melo sabotaged things for Lin so B Diddy could start.
        Melo didn't want Lin there because he could feel the New York fans turning on him and turning towards Lin.

        This won't help.

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        • #19
          Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

          I think with Melo's comments he was just pointing out to the contract being ridiculous, but he still wanted to play alongside Lin.

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          • #20
            Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

            As others have said this contract is not just about basketball, a lot of it is marketing. Lin will be much much more marketable than most players of his caliber/skill level (borderline starter I think is where he is right now) simply because of the large Chinese audience interested in the NBA coupled with such a small number of Chinese players in the league.

            Which I have no problem with, BTW, more power to him, plus he's fun to watch.

            So if you look at it in that light it's not such a bad investment for a team that can afford it. In pure basketball terms though yes it would be a ridiculous contract. JMHO
            Last edited by rabid; 07-16-2012, 12:33 AM.

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            • #21
              Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

              Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
              True, but there is no benefit to Lynn from backloading the deal. A balanced structure would actually be better for Lynn. That's why I expect he wanted out of NY.

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              just because theres no benefit to Lin doesnt mean theres no benefit to Houston.

              Houston wouldn't have agreed to sign Lin to an offer sheet at all if Lin refused to accept the backloaded contract, because they knew the Knicks would match it and therefore there would be no point.

              and if Lin doesn't get that offer sheet he has no bargaining chip to get close to that amount from the Knicks directly.

              Lin could very well have wanted to stay in NY and signed the backloaded offer sheet. There's no way Houston would have given him an offer sheet at all if Lin didn't agree to backload it

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              • #22
                Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                wow. when is the last time an nba player talk like that about contract his colleague offered.

                obvious reason is because Lin stole his light in MSG.
                Man i really hate that attention whore. When your ISO ball getting asskicked and playoffs became dream, that guy comes and lead the team with beutiful team ball and put Knicks back in league.

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                • #23
                  Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                  JR Smith follows up Melo's comment with this gem:

                  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ncy/index.html

                  Asked if Lin's contract could cause a challenging dynamic with his teammates, Smith agreed.

                  "Without a doubt," he said. "I think some guys take it personal, because they've been doing it longer and haven't received any reward for it yet. I think it's a tough subject to touch on for a lot of guys."
                  Now Melo may be referring to the poison pill, but JR Smith's comments make it clear it's about the money. When was the last time we heard an NBA player commenting about another player's contract? It's not like we haven't seen players get ridiculously overpayed before.

                  All I can say is, if the Knicks do match on Lin's offer (and it's looking unlikely), it's going to be awfully awkward in that locker room.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                    I can say is, if the Knicks do match on Lin's offer (and it's looking unlikely), it's going to be awfully awkward in that locker room.
                    Might be the case in Houston too.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                      Originally posted by Evan_The_Dude View Post
                      Might be the case in Houston too.
                      I don't see Houston players making this sort of comments about their former (and potentially new) teammate? And I don't see Bulls players making this sort of comments about Asik either. You know, Asik who received the exact same offer from Houston while averaging 3 and 5 in 15 min a game?

                      I do think players do resent their teammates who are perceived to be overpaid, but this is taking it to a whole other level.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                        Does Houston even have any players left? I thought MOrey traded them all.
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                        • #27
                          I hate it for Lin that he will be hated for getting a big paycheck but that is what someone payed him, he didnt demand it.


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                          • #28
                            Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                            I honestly don't understand what use it is for Melo to make a comment like that, other than to put pressure on the office to not re-sign Lin. Why go public with a statement like that? It just makes you look like a douche, whether it's true or not.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                              Originally posted by Steagles View Post
                              I hate it for Lin that he will be hated for getting a big paycheck but that is what someone payed him, he didnt demand it.


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                              ??? He received an offer from Houston, talked to the Knicks who told him he'd match, then went back to Houston, told them the Knicks would match and had them make it higher. Not sure what's a demand vs hard-nosed negotiating but he asked for as much as he could get.

                              Nothing wrong with that - in the 3rd year of the deal he'll be getting at least 2X what he's worth and maybe more. If he can get that he should and I don't hold that against him. But Houston didn't pretend Lin was a dancer at a strip club and hurl money at him unasked.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Melo Knocks Lin's Offer

                                Originally posted by rabidpacersfan View Post
                                I honestly don't understand what use it is for Melo to make a comment like that, other than to put pressure on the office to not re-sign Lin. Why go public with a statement like that? It just makes you look like a douche, whether it's true or not.
                                Carmello is a jealous and insecure basketball player. He secretly hated seeing Lin having success with the Knicks when he was injured. When you feel threatened, you want the person who makes you fell that way out of the picture
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