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Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

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  • #31
    Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
    MARSHON BROOKS

    He's a player the Pacers should be looking at, and he's on a rookie contract playing behind Joe Johnson which means he's not getting much PT.
    Brooks is actually very overrated. He's a shoot-only guard that isn't that efficient. Think Nick Young, IMO.

    Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
    We don't have the cap flexibility to make many deals, and usually junk doesn't get you quality players. How is Hansbrough and Green or Lance a good package for former ROY Tyreke Evans?

    I think this team is what it is. The only significant trades we could do will probably have to involve George, Granger, maybe West.
    Well, I'd agree, except last season it was reported multiple times that the Kings were not re-signing Tyreke. He's likely available, and it wouldn't have to be a 1-1 trade. If they are planning on letting him go for nothing, they'll be more likely to do a deal more favorable to the other team.

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    • #32
      Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

      Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
      Well, I'd agree, except last season it was reported multiple times that the Kings were not re-signing Tyreke. He's likely available, and it wouldn't have to be a 1-1 trade. If they are planning on letting him go for nothing, they'll be more likely to do a deal more favorable to the other team.
      All that's really been decided in Sacramento is that Evans wasn't getting the contract extension over this past fall. He'll still be a restricted free agent this summer and they can match any deal he gets. I don't think they've closed the door on keeping him if the money is right.

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      • #33
        Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

        we already have our Tyreke Evans but better...Lance Stephenson!

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        • #34
          Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

          Most of these names being tossed around of guys we "should" get are hilarious because people on this board would absolutely hate them if they were on our team.

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          • #35
            Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

            Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
            Most of these names being tossed around of guys we "should" get are hilarious because people on this board would absolutely hate them if they were on our team.
            It is Green Grass Syndrome, where what you have is never as good or better than what others have.

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            • #36
              Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
              It is Green Grass Syndrome, where what you have is never as good or better than what others have.
              You can repeat the "grass is greener on the other side bs" all you want but you know it and I know it that what the Pacers have is not as good or better than what many other teams have.

              By the way to use the "grass is always greener on the other side" bs you at least need to have some grass in your side to at least compare it to other teams "grass", right now what the Pacers have is an empty lot full of weed with dog turd in top of it..... "grass is always greener syndrome" you guys are funny....
              Last edited by vnzla81; 11-26-2012, 12:36 PM.
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              • #37
                Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                Most of these names being tossed around of guys we "should" get are hilarious because people on this board would absolutely hate them if they were on our team.
                Yep and hopefully next year they get another non name or another scrub so people don't hate him as much....
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                • #38
                  Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  I still do not understand the fascination with Mayo, unless you like players who don't try when they are coming off the bench.
                  Because he doesn't belong on the bench. He is a starter and better than any back court player we have. When he plays as a starter he is consistent. Nobody we have is consistent except for maybe West.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                    Originally posted by RLeWorm View Post
                    we already have our Tyreke Evans but better...Lance Stephenson!
                    Are you kidding me. Lance is not in Evans league right now and won't be until the Pacers put the ball in his hands and let him do what he does best. Swap his and Hills roles and you might get some results. Hill is not a point, does not create or push the ball or pass the ball effectively and is way to lackadasial. He came out way too soft against Parker and got torched. Thats against a player he should know very well that he couldn't do that.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                      Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                      I was VERY surprised aswell that we rushed to an aggreement with Hill, the amount we paid him AND used our only 5th year contract on him. No, actually, I was very surprised and quite pissed off about it. I don't believe at all that the market for Hill was THAT good and I thought that contract was too rich, especially considering the 5th year inclusion and the discussions by management about a new contract with him earlier.

                      With regards to Hibbert I aggreed what management did and I still think they did the right thing.

                      Either way, yeah, pretty horrendous time management with regards to Hill and personally I would have preffered us to sign a decent impact player for the 2nd unit instead of spreading the remaining money on several bench players.

                      Btw am I happy that that deal that management tried to make with Charlotte didn't come through. We would have had Augustin for 2 years and no Tyler currently.

                      I really hope D.J. starts making a meaningfull presence on the court, but I dont like the body language I am seeing and much less the play. Samething with Ian, unfortunately. Hope he, Mahinmi, can show us what he did during pre-season.
                      So much this on Hibbs and Hill. I was pissed they just gave Hill a huuuuuuuuuge deal, but waited for the market to dictate Hibbert. Everyone and their grandmother knew Hibbert was going to get the max. However, there was no *****ing way that Hill would have. Look at Courtney Lee, he got well below what he was asking. No way Hill gets closed to $8M/yr. Why, cause he's an undersized sg that is playing point. I doubt there were many teams looking to pay top dollar for that.

                      And no one knew about Scola, but the thing that pisses me off, is that for a franchise like the Pacers that must to be cost conscience, why the hell don't you wait till after the deadline for amnesties to sign players? The Pacers should be targeting amnesty players. Some good players and they are cheap. You'd think that would be a no brainer! But not for this Pacers team. We'll just over pay big time to keep average talent. *sigh*

                      And I like Hill and Hibbert. I was fine with the Pacers matching Hibbert and I'm still fine. Big guys are overpaid, I know this. Hibbert is a very good defender, but limited on offense. I think his shooting numbers will improve. I don't expect him to put up 20ppg. I think 15-18ppg should be just fine. He also does so much for the community, which is difficult to put a number on.

                      The deal for Hill was just dumb. Love the guy and what he brings, but just a dumb dumb deal.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                        Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                        Remember when free agency opened OJ Mayo and Courtney Lee were the 2 scorers off the bench the Pacers were linked to but both wanted starter money Lee around 8 mil and Mayo 10 and both according to sources seemed to have multi-team interest.

                        Once the Blazers reached an agreement with Hibbert and Hill agreed to his contract the Pacers did not have the money Mayo wanted to offer him. Mayo got the Suns offer which was in the 8 mil range. With the fear of not getting the scorer they wanted off the bench they reached out and signed Gerald Green for 3.5 mil per instead.

                        After the Mahinmi trade and the Augustin signing pushed the Pacers against the luxury tax is when the Mayo decision to sign for less in Dallas occured, the Pacers could not act at that point. In hindsight if the Pacers had known the market would dry up for Mayo and Lee they may have waited on signing Gerald Green. They acted to assure themselves of getting one of the 3 they had targeted in Green rather than getting no one.
                        They drug their feet just like they always do and hope something falls in their lap just like losers do. No young up and coming player is going to take Walsh seriously at his age. He can't relate to them, he is toast and has been for a long time. I don't want to hear that he brought Amare and Carmelo to NY that market did that. As soon as he was gone is when someone put the pieces around them to make them a good team. He relied on cheap youth and they brought in proven veterans who know how to get it done. He is trying the same thing here only we have no stars and nobody to carry the team.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                            And no one knew about Scola, but the thing that pisses me off, is that for a franchise like the Pacers that must to be cost conscience, why the hell don't you wait till after the deadline for amnesties to sign players? The Pacers should be targeting amnesty players. Some good players and they are cheap. You'd think that would be a no brainer! But not for this Pacers team. We'll just over pay big time to keep average talent. *sigh*
                            You do realize that the Pacers could have placed a bid on Scola, right? The highest bidder (PHO) got Scola with their 10M bid. The Pacers could have bid 9.8M and lost. We don't know.

                            But because the Pacers didn't get him, the conventional wisdom is that they didn't even try.....
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              You do realize that the Pacers could have placed a bid on Scola, right? The highest bidder (PHO) got Scola with their 10M bid. The Pacers could have bid 9.8M and lost. We don't know.

                              But because the Pacers didn't get him, the conventional wisdom is that they didn't even try.....
                              And once again you are wrong and you think you are right, Phoenix won the Scola bid by bidding 4.5mil or an "Ian Mahinmi", they also didn't even have the chance to bid on him or Brand because they decided to sign Hill and Hibbert.

                              Even Pritchard explained this on 1070 the fan by saying that they were keeping a close eye on those guys but at the end of the day the Hibbert/Hill signing was hours before so they were not able to even put a bid on any guy that was waived.

                              So yes the conventional wisdom is that they didn't try because they didn't try.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                And once again you are wrong and you think you are right, Phoenix won the Scola bid by bidding 4.5mil or an "Ian Mahinmi", they also didn't even have the chance to bid on him or Brand because they decided to sign Hill and Hibbert.
                                The Suns bid ended up costing them almost $14M when everything was said and done. That $4.5M is PER YEAR, not total. It would be nice if you could tell the difference, before you got on your soapbox.
                                Last edited by Since86; 11-26-2012, 01:27 PM.
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