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Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

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  • #16
    Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

    Originally posted by Alpolloloco View Post
    Here, we go again. This post was meant to discuss what has happened with Sarunas and why he isn't used as he should be (just like the beginning of the season). Wh in the world do posters, and even a mod(!) need to start this thread into a bashing game. Has no one of you learned of Pecks' post?
    I just told you why he isnt being used as he should be.

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    • #17
      Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

      Originally posted by Seed View Post
      Seems to me Rick and Saras are pretty much done.
      let's hope they are and Saras will be traded (but I wouldn't bet money on this ). in the begining of the season one could be fooled by how Sarunas was used, but, as we can see now, little has changed from last year. it's almost time wasted in the Pacers for Saras (and money wasted for the Pacers). it's becoming clear now that there were no rookie walls for him last year (just like we don't see any for his former teammate Parker or Garbajosa (both in Torronto)).. it's just plain sad that Indiana is such a... predictable team.. nothing out of the ordinary, no will to change whatsoever. they seem to have the potential, but the end result is dissapointment. Bird is not as good a manager as he seemed or he hasn't got enough power there (imho, of course).. Saras is not helping this team win.. and even if seeting him would result in victories - that would be fine. but it's practically the same inconsistent ***** no matter if he plays or not

      and yeah, comparing Udrih with Saras is like comparing Anthony Johnson with Jason Kidd. both are American PGs, you know..

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      • #18
        Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

        I agree with Doug on the Saras issue. But let me add something. It is less about "bringing the ball up" than it is IMO about once he has the ball across midcourt. That is when teams pressure him (by that I mean his defender gets up into him - they don't need to double) and he either has to make a risky pass just to start the offense or he is slow in starting the offense.

        Therefore what Rick has done is two things. He plays him with JT or DA and allows Saras to either run off picks (something totally new this season- this has allowed him to get some open 15-18 jumpers which he's very good at) or he puts him in pick and roll situations in the middle of the play.

        I'll repeat what I've said for well over a year now. You cannot just give Saras the ball and tell him to "run the offense, this is your team"

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        • #19
          Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

          Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
          Ohh yes it does matter Saras. You went in against Detroit, they pressed and you still couldn't handle it. You are a bad defender, Tins isnt that good either but Tinsley gets his hands on balls and gets steals, you do neither. You are one of the most inconsistent shooters on our team, along with Jackson. One game you will shoot good and play 30 minutes the next game you will shoot like crap and you want play more then 10. Thats how it goes.

          Dont place blame on other people for your problems, its not Rick's fault you are not made out for the NBA.
          I'm not here to defend Saranus and I don't think he is the second coming, but to a certain extent he is right. Now ask yourself if JO or Jack were jerked around with the playing time like he is if they could get on track? If Jack or JO or Al were pulled every time that they missed a shot or had a TO or didn't block out, they would never see the floor. BTW JO is not God and I do find that offensive.

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          • #20
            Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

            Originally posted by Alpolloloco View Post
            Here, we go again. This post was meant to discuss what has happened with Sarunas and why he isn't used as he should be (just like the beginning of the season). Wh in the world do posters, and even a mod(!) need to start this thread into a bashing game. Has no one of you learned of Pecks' post?
            I discussed exactly what has happened with him:

            1: he's still bad on D, showed it v Dallas and got pulled, v Charlotte btw he played 15 minutes, but obviously did not make much of an impact so you might have missed him
            2: Rick obviously has a problem with how he plays
            3: His shot is not falling, so he brings little or no threat on offense

            Bashing is saying he is bad without a foundation to my arguments, I think I gave them (the arguments to make my foundation) correctly in my first post.

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            • #21
              Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

              Originally posted by ALF68 View Post
              I'm not here to defend Saranus and I don't think he is the second coming, but to a certain extent he is right. Now ask yourself if JO or Jack were jerked around with the playing time like he is if they could get on track? If Jack or JO or Al were pulled every time that they missed a shot or had a TO or didn't block out, they would never see the floor. BTW JO is not God and I do find that offensive.
              I agree completely with you ALF68, and I think the majority of the posters here do too.
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              • #22
                Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                Originally posted by ALF68 View Post
                I'm not here to defend Saranus and I don't think he is the second coming, but to a certain extent he is right. Now ask yourself if JO or Jack were jerked around with the playing time like he is if they could get on track? If Jack or JO or Al were pulled every time that they missed a shot or had a TO or didn't block out, they would never see the floor. BTW JO is not God and I do find that offensive.
                K, thanks.

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                • #23
                  Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                  Barring injuries, it's safe to say he's never gonna get 25+ minutes a night. It should be noted that's he's losing his minutes for the second year in a row to a fairly unlikely canidate. While some of his longtime fans have pointed out his greatest strength isn't his shooting, that's how he was billed as far as I remember. He currently sits last on the shooting percentage totem pole( I'm not counting Greene & Powell). Wasn't his role clearly defined when he arrived? I thought he was supposed to give us a shooter with a winning attitude who'd helped lead his teams to championships overseas. What we've actually seen from him is lowly shooting percentages, griping to the media, an apparent inability to connect with the other players and a sub 2 to 1 ast/to ratio. His defensive liabilities were expected. While four million dollars isn't that great a sum in todays NBA, you can bet Carlisle feels pressure to play the guy and it would be alot easier if he could produce. Since Bird came back into the picture the Pacers have been a disaster and with a management change looming poor decisions are stacking up against Larry. I think many fans are really supportive of Jasikevicous , unfortunately Armstrong has brought alot of what Runi was supposed to bring and Tinsley has remained healthy. I think at a certain point a player in his position is responsible for carving out his own role much like AJ,Baston,Woody,Crosh and AD did before him. The Pacers are no longer in a position where they can write off roster spots, money and other resources so the notion that Carlisle just doesn't like him....doesn't make sense to me.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                    Runi probably is not the best fit with the way the Pacers are playing right now. Carlise has apparently gone back to the plodding 1/2 court offense, slow paced game. It's what he's comfortable with. It probably suits our roster better. Runi and JT both probably prefer a more uptempo free flowing style. Both are more effective when they are given a chance to make plays with the basketball off the dribble instead of having to make one pass and then run into a corner. I haven't seen alot of games this season, but according to what I have read Carlise feels our best chance to win is running everything through JO. In that case our 1's play a minimal role. All they do is bring the ball up and space the court and shoot when JO is double teamed or when left open on defensive rotations. JT and Saras are not particularly good fits for our style of play. Actually the best 1 for us the way we play right now is someone like Damon Jones. You laugh, Damon Jones?, well look at last years champs. Other then D Wade you've got a roster full of players with major holes in certain areas of their games, but you had a coach who new how to put it all together and the CHEMISTRY was there. I'm not sure if this years Pacers have that.

                    LET ME PUT IT SIMPLY OTHER THEN JO EVERY SINGLE PACER ON THE ROSTER IS UNDERACHIEVING.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                      I think quotes like we heard from Al, Saras in the last days are bad signs. They are basically saying - we don't understand where we fit in the offensive scheme. We have no defined role. We live and die by improvisation. By taking what we can grab, and not by team play (i.e. having others play for us).

                      There is great talent in this Pacers roster. If they were just brought to play for each other...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                        I forgot to add in my last post. Contray to popular belief if given a chance and given opportunities to make plays Runi can run a team playing a 1/2 court game. His 14 pt. 11 asst. game vs. the Wizards last season showed me that. However, sometimes a player and a team are just not a good fit. Runi's career so far reminds me a lot of Carlos Arroyo's, they have similar international experience and were stars overseas, that made a name for themselves embarrassing team USA in international competition. Both have had there ups and downs since coming to the NBA. It's taken Arroyo several years and several teams to finally find a productive home. Runi can ball, he just needs to find right situation.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                          I simply wanted to know how well he's been playing in the time given, so if anyone can answer that, it would be nice.

                          Also, how does David Harrison get hurt when he doesn't play?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                            They call it practice.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                              Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                              Barring injuries, it's safe to say he's never gonna get 25+ minutes a night. It should be noted that's he's losing his minutes for the second year in a row to a fairly unlikely canidate. While some of his longtime fans have pointed out his greatest strength isn't his shooting, that's how he was billed as far as I remember. He currently sits last on the shooting percentage totem pole( I'm not counting Greene & Powell). Wasn't his role clearly defined when he arrived? I thought he was supposed to give us a shooter with a winning attitude who'd helped lead his teams to championships overseas. What we've actually seen from him is lowly shooting percentages, griping to the media, an apparent inability to connect with the other players and a sub 2 to 1 ast/to ratio. His defensive liabilities were expected. While four million dollars isn't that great a sum in todays NBA, you can bet Carlisle feels pressure to play the guy and it would be alot easier if he could produce. Since Bird came back into the picture the Pacers have been a disaster and with a management change looming poor decisions are stacking up against Larry. I think many fans are really supportive of Jasikevicous , unfortunately Armstrong has brought alot of what Runi was supposed to bring and Tinsley has remained healthy. I think at a certain point a player in his position is responsible for carving out his own role much like AJ,Baston,Woody,Crosh and AD did before him. The Pacers are no longer in a position where they can write off roster spots, money and other resources so the notion that Carlisle just doesn't like him....doesn't make sense to me.
                              Yes, poor decisions are stacking up for Larry. He should have never extended RC's contract. His view was that after 3 years, players tune out their coach. So he keeps RC and changes a number of players trying to avoid the 3 year tune out. Only problem is, that the players who get a good chunk of the playing time have been here for 3 or more years.

                              His biggest problem has been his loyalty to RC and it's gotten him into hot water.

                              I've been taking up for RC but I'm really getting sick of trying to make excuses for the guy.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Where in the world is Sarunas Jasikevicius?

                                LG33, Saras has played paltry minutes lately so its hard to tell how he's playing.
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