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  • White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...e.3ae3606.html


    White waits patiently for time with Spurs

    Web Posted: 03/27/2007 11:53 PM CDT

    Johnny Ludden
    Express-News

    Michael Finley saw enough highlights of this season's dunk contest to know this much: Had Spurs rookie James White been in the event, he would have won.
    "Seriously," Finley said. "The dunk contest has come to a point where we've seen everything. But he has dunks that people haven't seen."

    Finley said he has seen White take off from the free-throw line and put the ball between his legs before flushing it through the rim. He also claims White can throw down a two-handed dunk from the foul line.

    "Nobody's seen that," Finley said.

    Aside from the Spurs, nobody's seen White doing much of anything this season.

    Since signing with the Spurs on Nov. 3, White has performed most of his work at the team's practice facility or in the NBDL. Almost all of his court time on game days has come during private workouts long before fans are allowed into the arena.

    That changed Monday when Robert Horry was placed on the inactive list after suffering an abdominal injury the previous night in Seattle. With about three minutes left in the third quarter and the Spurs well on their way to a 126-89 victory over Golden State, White made his NBA debut. He finished with nine points and three rebounds in 15 minutes.

    "It's got to be hard for him after a whole year waiting for this," Manu Ginobili said. "He did very good, so we're all happy for him. It's not easy to be on a team and never have the opportunity to play."

    White also doesn't know when his next chance will come. If Horry's injury has healed or coach Gregg Popovich decides the team could need Melvin Ely's size tonight against the New Orleans Hornets, White will go back to his familiar seat behind the bench.

    "You have to approach it as a job," White said. "It's my job to stay professional, go out there and come to work every day like nothing has changed. You never know when you'll get your opportunity to play.

    "Basketball is fun; you can't beat that as a job."

    So far, that attitude has served White well. Spurs officials, while acknowledging they might have to wait until summer league to better evaluate White, are pleased with how he's fit in the locker room.

    White also handled his two assignments to the Development League fairly well, averaging 16.3 points on 47.7 percent shooting in 15 games for the Austin Toros. With minutes few and far between on a veteran-heavy Spurs roster, he has spent some of his time working with shooting coach Chip Engelland.

    "I've improved so much since I've been here," White said. "My shot, my mental preparation, my professionalism — everything basketball-wise, I've gotten better."

    While White needs to continue working on his fundamentals, no one has ever questioned he has the athleticism to succeed in the NBA. His leaping ability is extraordinary, and some among the Spurs rank him alongside David Robinson as one of the franchise's greatest athletes. Before he had even finished his college career at Cincinnati, "Flight" White's impressive dunks had made him a YouTube star.

    Some NBA scouts thought White had the potential to be a first-round selection last summer. He lasted until the opening pick of the second round when Portland chose him and immediately traded him to Indiana. The Pacers thought enough of White to give him a guaranteed two-year contract, unusual for second-round picks.

    Indiana, however, was fairly well-stocked at the wing positions. Some in the organization also were rankled a little by White's attitude, which they perceived as too cocky. Called for a hand-checking foul during an exhibition game, White played the ensuing possession by holding his hands behind his back.

    Still, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle called the decision to cut White at the end of the preseason one of the most difficult he has had to make.

    "It was surprising at first, it took me a while to get over the shock," White said. "It kind of motivated me just like draft night. I felt like when I was drafted, I got shafted a little bit.

    "When I came here, it was a whole different situation from Indiana, the tradition of winning, the professionalism of the whole team. ... I've learned something new from the older guys every day."

    Finley has helped mentor White, providing a few words of advice or encouragement when appropriate.

    "He's young, so he really won't appreciate this time with this team until maybe five or six years into the league," Finley said. "Hopefully, he can stay grounded and stay humble, and he'll be OK."

    Popovich thought White played "pretty confidently" Monday. He rimmed out a 3-pointer for his first shot but settled down after making an easy layup off a pass from Brent Barry.

    With less than 30 seconds left, White finally received an opportunity to show off his legs, jamming a lob from Fabricio Oberto through the rim. The dunk brought applause from the bench, but the Spurs also have seen better from the rookie.

    "Hopefully, he'll get an opportunity to be in (the contest) next year," Finley said. "He has my vote."
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    Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

    I watched that Spurs and Warriors game , the announcers were like:

    "PAcers gave up two second rounders, and then Cut him"

    Can I get some applauds for Indiana lol. . .Next years draft is gonna be nyce, I'm sure we won't get anypicks from that
    R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

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    • #3
      Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

      I like James, but how do you resolve a guy having a chip and learning a lesson after getting passed over in the draft (even though the Pacers made a strong statement about his game when they made the move to get him) and then within a FEW MONTHS you are holding your hands behind your back to make a point to the refs?

      I mean how much can I buy into him being motivated by the Pacers cutting him when clearly he wasn't as properly motivated by the draft as he claims he was?

      He didn't get cut for being too good. He got cut for his attitude and average play. Rawle played like the guy with something to prove and with his career on the line. Maybe James is better and has learned his lesson, but it's odd that he would talk about professionalism after a few months earlier pulling a stunt like that.

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      • #4
        Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

        "When I came here, it was a whole different situation from Indiana, the tradition of winning, the professionalism of the whole team. ... I've learned something new from the older guys every day."

        Sounds about right, unfortunately.

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          Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

          Yeah seems like he thought he was too good for us, sadly he might have been right. He seems more professional than most of our team, why weren't they cut.

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          • #6
            Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

            Saying you're too good for a team is not professional.

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            • #7
              Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              Saying you're too good for a team is not professional.
              Except that isn't really what he said. Let's face it can you really question the fact that the Spurs are probably one of, if not the best organizations in the NBA? From their first title in 1999 to current, the Spurs have been a consistently well-run organization. And I'm guessing it doesn't take a veteran to see the difference between an organization like the Spurs and the mess that has become the Indiana Pacers.

              If the only reason he was cut from the team was this "hands behind the back" thing then I'm sorry but wow. Like some confidence on the court is a huge issue.

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              • #8
                Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                Don't get me wrong, I understand he didn't say that and of course the Spurs have a terrific winning tradition over the past 8 years.

                I was only referring to IMissReggie's insinuation that that is what he actually felt, while in turn also stating that he was professional.

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                  Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  Don't get me wrong, I understand he didn't say that and of course the Spurs have a terrific winning tradition over the past 8 years.

                  I was only referring to IMissReggie's insinuation that that is what he actually felt, while in turn also stating that he was professional.
                  Ah, I see.

                  Yeah that would not be very professional, hah.

                  I just wish thinking about the Pacers did not give me a headache.

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                  • #10
                    Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                    Mal, sarcasm I was joking. What I meant was he did a cost benefit analysis. Would I rather be on a sinking sailboat or the USS Nimitz? He thought if I am good enough to go there, why not.

                    And truthfully if you think you are better than people who are thugs that start fights in night clubs twice in a 3 month period of time, I don't think you are unprofessional.

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                    • #11
                      Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                      If you think that's bad, I'm writing a brief personal narrative that's due tomorrow, and my topic is when I watched the Brawl happen live.

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                      • #12
                        Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                        BTW I remember ESPN being in love with this statistic about how the Spurs have the best winning percentage of any team during a players reign currently going on. I wonder how close the colts are too that?

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                        • #13
                          Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                          Originally posted by Mal View Post
                          If you think that's bad, I'm writing a brief personal narrative that's due tomorrow, and my topic is when I watched the Brawl happen live.
                          Even though I drink too much, I still remember that like it was yesterday!

                          I was on the internet feeling good then I turn to the TV to see Artest in the stands whaling away and all I could think is "this is NOT good, he's done."

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                          • #14
                            Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                            I wrote a paper once and used the brawl as my main inspiration. It was about business men lying. Remember how Stern declared the NBA had reviewed all available tape and were certain they had caught every body who had acted irresponsibly, they caught reggie standing up. But totally missed the 300 pound Harrison. And then when the Cops revealed they would be pressing charges, he just said the matter was closed. Guess somebody lied about watching the tape.

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                            • #15
                              Re: White waits patiently for time with Spurs (Pacers mentioned)

                              Maybe some folks here missed the small blurb about the Pacers giving him a two year contract even though they were "fairly well-stocked" at the wing position. And then Carlisle saying it was a tough decision to cut him.
                              Come on, people, he played defense with his hands behind his back because they gave him guaranteed money!
                              Just another in a long line of contract eff-ups and decisions and Rick not knowing what he had. Spin it any other way, but this season is the culmination of decisions like White. And Tins. And Jack. And Carlisle, for that matter.
                              It's a rudderless ship at this point.

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