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Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

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  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    This sounds like a great problem to have I hope it happens. I would love a star SG to pop out of thin air that would be pretty cool
    When you act like this its really ignorant. Bird found Lance in the second round. Whose to say he cant do it again? Or who knows maybe we sign and trade Granger for a pick that grows to challenge him. 18 months ago Lance was a knucklehead who had one more year.

    So to act like hes irreplacable is just plain ignorant.

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    • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

      Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
      When you act like this its really ignorant. Bird found Lance in the second round. Whose to say he cant do it again? Or who knows maybe we sign and trade Granger for a pick that grows to challenge him. 18 months ago Lance was a knucklehead who had one more year.

      So to act like hes irreplacable is just plain ignorant.
      I hope you aren't acting like it's probable either, because it'd be the same.

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      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

        Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
        I hope you aren't acting like it's probable either, because it'd be the same.
        It isn't probable, but if it did happen it would be great. We could either trade this young "star" SG for a solid young package of picks and cheap role players. Or we trade Lance for the same. It would only help . That is kind of what happen to the Spurs had a budding young player in Stephen Jackson and along came Manu. I don't even think that is a fair comp ethier because Jack with the Spurs wasn't nearly as important as Lance is to us.


        Maybe Eddie Jones Kobe Bryant is a better comp. (even though Kobe is much better). Eddie was a great player in teh prime of his career who was supplanted by a young stud. The stud was of course a lottery pick and would soon be one of the greatest to ever play. The Eddie Jones Kobe situation was a great situation for the Lakers. They had two very good players who also were very good trade assets. If that ever happens I am sure we would do the same thing trade one of a nice haul of players.

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        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

          Any word on a practice today?
          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            It isn't probable, but if it did happen it would be great. We could either trade this young "star" SG for a solid young package of picks and cheap role players. Or we trade Lance for the same. It would only help . That is kind of what happen to the Spurs had a budding young player in Stephen Jackson and along came Manu. I don't even think that is a fair comp ethier because Jack with the Spurs wasn't nearly as important as Lance is to us.


            Maybe Eddie Jones Kobe Bryant is a better comp. (even though Kobe is much better). Eddie was a great player in teh prime of his career who was supplanted by a young stud. The stud was of course a lottery pick and would soon be one of the greatest to ever play. The Eddie Jones Kobe situation was a great situation for the Lakers. They had two very good players who also were very good trade assets. If that ever happens I am sure we would do the same thing trade one of a nice haul of players.
            Having talented people who lack maturatiy is not a situation where it can only help. See examples such as Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley. `

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            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

              I found this from Montieth:
              How can we go from a 3-6 week period that might only be 1 week because the team is just being cautious to "we're still a long ways away" 6 weeks later?
              It seems like any info we've received since Granger tweeted that his knee was fine has all came from Vogel.
              How about someone with twitter tries to reach out to Candice again to see if she can get the scoop?

              http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/more-...-sticks-george

              Granger running again

              Danny Granger was running along the sideline and back and forth across the court while the Pacers worked in the half court at the end of Saturday's practice at Bankers Life Fieldhouse. He also participated in some of the team's shooting drills and skeleton offense.
              Granger played just five games last season because of persistent knee issues, and has yet to play this season. He's suffered lately from a strained calf muscle.
              Coach Frank Vogel said Granger is “still a long ways away” from returning, but remains optimistic he'll return and contribute at some point.
              “As soon as we lose a game we're going to rush him back,” Vogel joked.
              Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                I could see it either way at this point. Either there's more to it that they're hiding, or this is an injury that if Granger was more important to the team and we weren't doing so well and he wasn't also coming off of the other trouble he's just been coming off of, he might already have been playing by now, soreness be damned. I just can't be sure either way.

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                • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                  Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                  Coach Frank Vogel said Granger is “still a long ways away” from returning, but remains optimistic he'll return and contribute at some point.
                  “As soon as we lose a game we're going to rush him back,” Vogel joked.
                  Therefore, if logic serves me correctly, I conclude that Vogel believes we are a "long ways" away from losing a game. Wink-wink.

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                  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    I could see it either way at this point. Either there's more to it that they're hiding, or this is an injury that if Granger was more important to the team and we weren't doing so well and he wasn't also coming off of the other trouble he's just been coming off of, he might already have been playing by now, soreness be damned. I just can't be sure either way.
                    Same here, I just don't know. I'm as big of a Granger supporter as they come and I really want him to be part of this title run but this is wearing thin. From what they've led us to beleive this sprain shouldn't have taken this long. I'd like someone to be honest with the fans and tell us why. Now the team will go off on a road trip for over a week which is another excuse.
                    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                    • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                      Could it be that they are just being over cautious due to not wanting him to play through the calf injury to re injure his knee? It seems like when players have injuries their bodies adjust and compensate which puts more pressure on other parts of the body. Which is grangers case it's not something they would want due to his knee issues.

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                      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                        He's a long ways away, because he has yet to practice. That is, he is far from game shape...way behind guys who are now fully tuned for the season. At best, he starts practicing within a week and can participate in a game sometime in January. I hope that's the plan, because I'm getting anxious to see him out there.

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                        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                          Daily questions of whether or not he practiced. Concerns about if we're being told the whole story or not. Assurances that the Pacers are playing it ultra safe since the team is winning. Worries that the situation is really worse than is being let on.

                          It's like jumping into a time machine and being transported to February 2013.

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                          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I could see it either way at this point. Either there's more to it that they're hiding, or this is an injury that if Granger was more important to the team and we weren't doing so well and he wasn't also coming off of the other trouble he's just been coming off of, he might already have been playing by now, soreness be damned. I just can't be sure either way.
                            It could also be as simple as "we want to do as much as we can to make sure he's ready and playing well for the playoffs." Making sure he doesn't start playing for the first time in a while and have him trying to play through pain unrelated to his knee. At this point, Danny is a luxury. Maybe it's just "we don't need to rush him back, so why would we?"

                            I do really want to see him. The guy deserves to be a part of this team.

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                            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                              It could also be as simple as "we want to do as much as we can to make sure he's ready and playing well for the playoffs." Making sure he doesn't start playing for the first time in a while and have him trying to play through pain unrelated to his knee. At this point, Danny is a luxury. Maybe it's just "we don't need to rush him back, so why would we?"

                              I do really want to see him. The guy deserves to be a part of this team.

                              But he's not even practicing right now. It would be one thing if he was practicing daily with the team. Then you could at least say that he looked OK physically and that the team was being cautious before throwing him out to the wolves in a real game. But he apparently isn't even in good enough health to practice, which puts far less rigors on your body than an NBA game.

                              Kobe has been practicing for several weeks now. Different player and different injury I know, but players who are generally somewhat close to returning see the practice court. Granger can't even do that right now.

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                              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                                We dont need Granger for the regular season.

                                He is going to be important for the playoffs though. I think he can be the guy who puts us ahead of Miami.

                                I'd like to see the playoff rotation:

                                PG GHill (36) / Watson (12)
                                SG Stephenson (32) / Granger (16)
                                SF George (38) / Granger (10)
                                PF West (32) / Scola (16)
                                C Hibbert (34) / Mahimi (14)

                                I dont trust Solo or OJ as backups atm.

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