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Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

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  • #46
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

    JEM I am grateful for your gesture, you made my day, I actually broke a smile.

    he's so willing to help that he sets screens for the opponents, let's his own man walk and scrambles over way to late seeing another basket scored.
    Not watch? not missed a game in years, LP broadband does that for you,staying up every night unless west coast, I watch those in delay.

    How many games did you cheer for Tyler yourself this year?

    You damn well missed the game last night, "good help D"
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    • #47
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

      It was a disappointing effort, but Miami has three players who are superior to any player we have on our roster. They would absolutely bulldoze us in a playoff series. You can't really expect to compete with a team when it has three players who are head and shoulders better than any player you have. As another poster mentioned, our team is much more suited to compete with Chicago than it is Miami.

      Miami is easily the best team in the league and it's not even close, IMHO. The only way they don't win it all this year is if they have a mental meltdown.

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      • #48
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

        If you guys think our early success was due in part to playing crappy performing teams due to the lock out you all dont' watch basketball enough. This team in the course of a month beat LA, Orlando, Chicago, Boston x2, and Dallas. Beat them all on the Road too.
        Yeah ok let's ignore that the lockout didn't have anything to do with some teams not performing right, The Celtics were out of shape, the same thing with Dallas, Orlando has the Dhoward thing going on so you can beat them sometimes, The Lakers suck and The Bulls didnt have Deng, so yeah we got to beat those teams when they were down, let's see how we do now that they are back in shape and playing well.
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        • #49
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

          The Heat were extremely impressive last night, wow were they good.

          Pacers were bad obviously.

          The question that we are trying to get to the bottom of is what is going on with the Pacers.

          I think the easy question is what is going on - we can all see that, the difficult question is why are we playing so bad, how is this happening. I don't have the answers.

          As far as what is happening - the defense has fallen off the map and frustration has set in. I think the lack of practice time and the number of games caught up with the Pacers. Remember in the first 4 weeks of the season the Pacers were always on the low end of number of games played. But that has changed the past three weeks and also the competition has been pretty stiff lately.

          There is a very fine line between winning and losing, there is a very fine line between having a coinfident team and not having a confident team. It is easy to fall into bad habbits and very difficult to get out of losing and out of bad habbits

          I know I am throwing out platitutes.

          Bottom like I think this is temporary. But I also wonder if the pacers are really good enough to be 17-7 - that might be too much to ask. 17-7 over a full 82 game season is a 58, 59 win pace. We aren't that good. We are IMo a team that wins between 48-51 games (in a full season a team fighting for homecourt advantage in the first round) and concerned about getting out of the first found of the playoffs.

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          • #50
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Yeah ok let's ignore that the lockout didn't have anything to do with some teams not performing right, The Celtics were out of shape, the same thing with Dallas, Orlando has the Dhoward thing going on so you can beat them sometimes, The Lakers suck and The Bulls didnt have Deng, so yeah we got to beat those teams when they were down, let's see how we do now that they are back in shape and playing well.
            Generally I don't tend to agree with you vnzla, but with this I agree 100%. I think the league as a whole has been/was at a very crappy performance level the first month of the season, and the Pacers took advantage of that. Now that most all the players are in decent shape, teams have an idea how to gameplan and beat teams much easier and I think that's hurt the Pacers a lot, especially PG and Hibbert.

            I think at some point, either during this season or before next season, a decision is going to have to be made to keep either Paul George or Danny Granger, and to dump the other to get either PG help or a true SG. The last thing the team needs are two of the same player and it seems, at least to me, that they're trying to make Paul like Danny and it's not working at all.

            The problem is that Danny doesn't have nearly the trade value that Paul (I assume) probably would, and also sets the team back for a short while. February and March are going to be very interesting going to the trade deadline, there's a good chance they'll probably be buyers at that point as the schedule does get easier, but if things don't turn around quickly they could turn into a slight sell/change mode.
            "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

            ----------------- Reggie Miller

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            • #51
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              The Heat were extremely impressive last night, wow were they good.

              Pacers were bad obviously.

              The question that we are trying to get to the bottom of is what is going on with the Pacers.

              I think the easy question is what is going on - we can all see that, the difficult question is why are we playing so bad, how is this happening. I don't have the answers.

              As far as what is happening - the defense has fallen off the map and frustration has set in. I think the lack of practice time and the number of games caught up with the Pacers. Remember in the first 4 weeks of the season the Pacers were always on the low end of number of games played. But that has changed the past three weeks and also the competition has been pretty stiff lately.

              There is a very fine line between winning and losing, there is a very fine line between having a coinfident team and not having a confident team. It is easy to fall into bad habbits and very difficult to get out of losing and out of bad habbits

              I know I am throwing out platitutes.

              Bottom like I think this is temporary. But I also wonder if the pacers are really good enough to be 17-7 - that might be too much to ask. 17-7 over a full 82 game season is a 58, 59 win pace. We aren't that good. We are IMo a team that wins between 48-51 games (in a full season a team fighting for homecourt advantage in the first round) and concerned about getting out of the first found of the playoffs.
              I agree, and we can't ignore that recently our schedule has been very tough from a competition stand point. However, we desperately need to take care of the next 6 or so games, as it is one cupcake after another, and then the start of March is not very forgiving. If we struggle against these under .500 teams (think a .500 record), it's very likely that our overall record could be right at .500 after the first week and a half of March. It's not an easy schedule once you get past I think the New Orleans game.


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              • #52
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                I completely agree with this.

                As for the last part, Koufos would be great.

                Pekovic would even be better. It will never happen, but it WOULD be better.

                Koufos last night as a starter... 9 pts... 9 rebs... 5 stl... 3 bs

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                • #53
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                  Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                  Generally I don't tend to agree with you vnzla, but with this I agree 100%. I think the league as a whole has been/was at a very crappy performance level the first month of the season, and the Pacers took advantage of that. Now that most all the players are in decent shape, teams have an idea how to gameplan and beat teams much easier and I think that's hurt the Pacers a lot, especially PG and Hibbert.

                  I think at some point, either during this season or before next season, a decision is going to have to be made to keep either Paul George or Danny Granger, and to dump the other to get either PG help or a true SG. The last thing the team needs are two of the same player and it seems, at least to me, that they're trying to make Paul like Danny and it's not working at all.

                  The problem is that Danny doesn't have nearly the trade value that Paul (I assume) probably would, and also sets the team back for a short while. February and March are going to be very interesting going to the trade deadline, there's a good chance they'll probably be buyers at that point as the schedule does get easier, but if things don't turn around quickly they could turn into a slight sell/change mode.

                  Idk how much higher trade value PG has than DG. I think we somewhat overvalue PG a tad on this board. While he is an impressive young player, he is also VERY inconsistent and is somewhat ineffective offensively when his jumper isn't falling.

                  I'm not saying DG is a GREAT player, but he would be a strong addition to any number of playoff teams looking for a perimeter threat that is capable of holding his own on the defensive end as well.

                  At the end of the day however, I do agree with you. These two do not play well off of one another, and we HAVE to trade one of those players in order to get something different, whether it be a consistent scoring 2, or an ideal upgrade at the 1.

                  I know a lot of people dislike Monta Ellis, but he is the type of one on one scorer that this team has desperately lacked for years. Im not advocating a DG for Monta swap, but that is the type of scorer we need to be looking for.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                    At a certain level, we are freaking out over being blown out of a game we weren't guaranteed to win.

                    Let's see if we bounce back and start looking better while winning games we ARE supposed to win.

                    Like UB said, we were never expecting this team to be the equivalent of a 55-60 win team. We're going through a bad patch, the question is can it be corrected against the poorer competition? If we lose those games or play crappy and barely manage wins, then we can go crazy.
                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • #55
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                      I don't think each loss on an individual level bugs me too much. It just happens that they all came in a row.

                      I think we should/could have won a couple at least, but each game is not a terrible loss. Just the string of losses like I said. That makes me feel a little bit better.

                      This game was pathetic though.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                        I would also like to mention a thing that nobody wants to bring it up but David West's defense is horrible, I remember been worried about this when we first got him, I knew he was a bad defender but he has proven to be even worse.

                        DC's and Danny's defense also went back to the "old Danny" and "old DC" type of defense, just look at it this way, in our first unit we have 3 starters that are pretty bad defenders it doesn't matter how much defense we practice as long as we have those huge holes we are not going anywhere, combine that with a horrible offense and you got what you see.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I would also like to mention a thing that nobody wants to bring it up but David West's defense is horrible, I remember been worried about this when we first got him, I knew he was a bad defender but he has proven to be even worse.

                          DC's and Danny's defense also went back to the "old Danny" and "old DC" type of defense, just look at it this way, in our first unit we have 3 starters that are pretty bad defenders it doesn't matter how much defense we practice as long as we have those huge holes we are not going anywhere, combine that with a horrible offense and you got what you see.
                          West and DC have horrible closeout defense. But Danny is not back to "old Danny". That is just hating to hate.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                            Per the Panic Meter I would say that I am at a 6.

                            Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                            I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              Yeah ok let's ignore that the lockout didn't have anything to do with some teams not performing right, The Celtics were out of shape, the same thing with Dallas, Orlando has the Dhoward thing going on so you can beat them sometimes, The Lakers suck and The Bulls didnt have Deng, so yeah we got to beat those teams when they were down, let's see how we do now that they are back in shape and playing well.
                              Oh, gee, it sure is lucky the lockout only affected all of the OTHER teams and not us......

                              Also I can remind fans of other teams that they beat us without Hill so those wins don't count.

                              You can't have it both ways.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Can't stand the Heat

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Oh, gee, it sure is lucky the lockout only affected all of the OTHER teams and not us......

                                Also I can remind fans of other teams that they beat us without Hill so those wins don't count.

                                You can't have it both ways.
                                I'm not saying that the lockout didn't affect us either, all I'm saying is that we were outplaying teams because we are a young team and he had all that energy, there is a reason why teams like Denver, Utah, Philly, were riding high for few weeks, now all those teams are coming down to earth.

                                By the way I like George Hill but I don't think his lost is as big as the Bulls losing Deng or Dirk playing with one leg, huge difference, I don't think we win either one of this four games with him either and I am 100% sure that he wouldn't have made any difference yesterday either.
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