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The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

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  • The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

    This trade works under the CBA........

    Jermaine O'Neal, Jamal Tinsley & Jeff Foster to the Twolves for

    Kevin Garnett, Trenton Hassell and Randy Foye.

    Little voices that DaSmash hears is that Bird and McHale are definitley talking, maybe not about trades, but of how nice the weather is in their respective cities. Smash has heard that O'Neal may have already asked the Pacers to find him another new home. The only value for value would be with either Minnesota or Chicago. O'Neal for Garnett is the safest trade for both Minnesota and Indiana because it gives both teams players to rebuild around. Just another birdie tells Da Smash that Minnesota has offered Mr. Police blotter Eddie Griffin....I can imagine the jokes going around Conseco.

    One thing that is for sure is if that the Pacers and Twolves do hook up O'Neal and Garnett will be the showcased talent moving. Chicago can offer Minnesota a decent package, but with the FA pool very light next year with big men and Chicago does not want to part with either Heinrich or Gordon and it will take one or both in a package for garnett along with an expiring contract (PJ Brown) and the Knicks 1st round (If Lottery), but the Knicks may not be in the lottery and thats what could kill any talks that may be happining between the Bulls and Twolves.

    Yes, the little voices could be all in my head, but this is a trade proposal section so I'm not confirming, nor denying anything. I will post a few other trade suggestions of my own liking besides this one.

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    Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

    Just curiously, why would McHale think he could have better success building around JO than he has had with KG?

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    • #3
      Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

      Originally posted by Shade View Post
      Just curiously, why would McHale think he could have better success building around JO than he has had with KG?
      Just curiously, when has McHale ever thought in the last 12 years?
      Narf!

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        Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        Just curiously, why would McHale think he could have better success building around JO than he has had with KG?
        Jermaine's a few years younger than KG. So that's more years of a player's prime that McHale can waste away.

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        • #5
          Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

          KG would fill the emotional void Carlisle was just talking about...

          KG's a better rebounder than JO, and a better passer, which fits nicely with how we seem to be headed with Dunleavy and Murphy here. But he's not ever going to be confused for a center. But then again, JO seems to never want to do it. I could dig this trade if it happened.

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          • #6
            Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

            Randy Foye?


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            • #7
              Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

              I'd probably do it.
              "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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              • #8
                Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                I can't do that trade...

                ...fast enough.
                You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
                All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

                - Jimmy Buffett

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                  Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                  isn't foye a lot like quis? in that he's a slasher that can't shoot from the outside?

                  i guess the point is that there really isn't another player on MIN that we'd want

                  as far as KG is concerned, i love that. i feel KG is a more complete player and a more selfless than JO. he may be older, but you know he's a team player and still averaging a double double.
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                    Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                    I thought DW said he was building around JO. I just don't understand why they would do that then go and trade him.
                    I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                      Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                      Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                      isn't foye a lot like quis? in that he's a slasher that can't shoot from the outside?

                      i guess the point is that there really isn't another player on MIN that we'd want

                      as far as KG is concerned, i love that. i feel KG is a more complete player and a more selfless than JO. he may be older, but you know he's a team player and still averaging a double double.
                      Foye is only a rookie and would be the point of the future. Hes an awesome talent.


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                      • #12
                        Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                        I'd do it in a heartbeat.

                        That said, we'd have big problems at center. And still no shooting guard.
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                          On national TV, Reggie just told John Paxson that he should be pursuing KG.
                          This space for rent.

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                            Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                            it's crazy to think minny would send us their 3 best assets, kg, foye and hassell. if a deal does take place, imo it will be more in the nature of kg for jo + young player (maybe ike, or shawne). if we try to send them tinsley, then they'll want to send someone like hudson back (but i'm hoping for mike james instead).

                            a more realistic scenario, imo:

                            garnett and mike james for jermaine, tinsley, and shawne

                            but even then i expect the pacers' chances are slim. by far, the most logical trading partner for minny is chicago. unless if mchale still has visions of making the playoffs this year, in which case getting jo is a no-brainer. but that begs the question - if minny is "win now", why are they trading kg? jo won't make the twolves a better team than kg does.

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                              Re: The Walls have ears......Garnett for O'Neal

                              The question from many of you is Why do the Wolves do this trade.....and why with the Pacers...

                              The Timberwolves with the general manager that they have and the Salary cap problems have really backed themselves into a corner. The wolves probably, make that won't, make the playoffs again this year. With the team structured as it is, in the conference that its in probably won't unless they just start over.

                              Some of you ask, "Why would the Wolves trade their three best players?" Well simply to get something you have to get something. I go back to the Elvin Hayes from Houston to Washington trade way back when. That trade made the Bullets world champions, a trade like this would absoulutely change the NBA landscape. The Timberwolves do not have a first round pick next for the next two years due to the Joe Smith Fiasco. Trading for O'Neal, Foster and Tinsley would absolutely regenerize Minnesota from the simple fact is that they can't get any worse.

                              Moving Garnett to the Pacers would be a fitting tribute to a player that has given so much to the Timberwolve franchise, but was never surrounded by the players (due to management) to get him to the finals. Sometimes you just have to start over...ask Donnie Walsh when Antonio asked to be traded, Smits retired, Sam Perkins retired, Dale Davis wanted more money, Mark Jackson wanted more money, Chris Mullin wanted to return to Golden State. Donnie blew a team up that had just gone to the NBA finals. Now its time for The Wolves to do just the same.

                              Jermaine is a few years younger and Tinsley and Foster are locked up in manageable-tradeable contracts. What they do with them once the Pacers trade them is up to Timberwolve management. Isn't that the key? Its up to Kevin Mchale to put this team together. Some of the deals in the Past- Sprewell and Cassell were solid moves, but both were at the end of contracts and were wanting entirely to much money that was being eaten by Garnetts heafty contract. Honestly Kevin Garnett basiclly has screwed himself by taking such a large contract. Micheal Jordan all those years winning championships with the Bulls was living on his endorsement contract, not his paultry player salary. That gave the Bulls room to add players to keep winning titles.

                              The Wolves trade Garnett because its the right thing to do!

                              P.S. Kevin isn't getting any younger and his trade value will begin to greatly diminsh, with his salary being what it is...now or this summer is the time. I hope that answers your question as to Why..

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